BRR members: Which tire is getting your vote next month?

[BigBoyND]

Instead of sinking more votes into the Comtura Aero which has plenty of votes already, let's get the retro PZero RS tire over the line so we can have two road tires this month.

Gravel tires are really taking over on BRR. Though, I really hope the SES 35mm makes it in the CX category next month. The weight relative to size suggests it has a much thinner construction than the 28mm version.

[JWTS]

While at this point my testing is in the "bro science" category, a couple of Chung tests and some hill climb regression analysis, I can say that the retro in a 30 mm is about .0002 slower then the Conti TT, and within the noise of a black 28 5000S. My rollers are still in the US, so when they get here I'll test them on rollers, which for me is very repeatable. Bottom line, nothing objectionable jumped out on the retro version as far as Crr.

[alanyu]

Why Agilest fast goes to the last of coming soon list? It was supposed to tested in Nov.

[emotive]

I'd totally vote for thee Python in December. Aside from that I'm really only interested in the coming Enve Hex () and Agilest Fast tests

It didn’t make it and got bumped from the list. Sometimes democracy is cruel. The people want more of the same (very similar) tyres which have very predictable results.

[emotive]

Gravel tires are really taking over on BRR.

It’s probably the fastest changing area of cycling which opens opportunities for tyre brands to catch new opportunities.

There is a big gap in fast 50mm gravel tyres for example, just a year or two ago this size was only considered for bikepacking. Now many riders are exploring wider tires for racing.

Will Schwalbe port their MTB dominance over to the g-one range or will Tufo port their newfound gravel tyre results into bigger sizes?

[TobinHatesYou]

Gravel tires are really taking over on BRR.

It’s probably the fastest changing area of cycling which opens opportunities for tyre brands to catch new opportunities.

There is a big gap in fast 50mm gravel tyres for example, just a year or two ago this size was only considered for bikepacking. Now many riders are exploring wider tires for racing.

Will Schwalbe port their MTB dominance over to the g-one range or will Tufo port their newfound gravel tyre results into bigger sizes?

There are already questions on how applicable a drum test is for road…it’s even less reliable for heavily treaded tires on loose surfaces. I only find BRR’s gravel tire test results useful for mixed-surface rides with a large proportion being tarmac.

Then again, there really aren’t that many untested road tires that are interesting to me.

[CampagYOLO]

Gravel tires are really taking over on BRR.

It’s probably the fastest changing area of cycling which opens opportunities for tyre brands to catch new opportunities.

There is a big gap in fast 50mm gravel tyres for example, just a year or two ago this size was only considered for bikepacking. Now many riders are exploring wider tires for racing.

Will Schwalbe port their MTB dominance over to the g-one range or will Tufo port their newfound gravel tyre results into bigger sizes?

There are already questions on how applicable a drum test is for road…it’s even less reliable for heavily treaded tires on loose surfaces. I only find BRR’s gravel tire test results useful for mixed-surface rides with a large proportion being tarmac.

Then again, there really aren’t that any road tires that haven’t been tested and are interesting to me.

It's a starting point. In the same way if the Continental Aero is a sign of the future of road tyres and aerodynamics becomes a big consideration, again a drum is only going to tell part of the story.

[emotive]

Gravel tires are really taking over on BRR.

It’s probably the fastest changing area of cycling which opens opportunities for tyre brands to catch new opportunities.

There is a big gap in fast 50mm gravel tyres for example, just a year or two ago this size was only considered for bikepacking. Now many riders are exploring wider tires for racing.

Will Schwalbe port their MTB dominance over to the g-one range or will Tufo port their newfound gravel tyre results into bigger sizes?

There are already questions on how applicable a drum test is for road…it’s even less reliable for heavily treaded tires on loose surfaces. I only find BRR’s gravel tire test results useful for mixed-surface rides with a large proportion being tarmac.

Then again, there really aren’t that any road tires that haven’t been tested and are interesting to me.

The recent test of the Caracal Race followed by the Caracal shows how big a difference compounds and casings make. For a semi slick that would be ideal for a mix of road and dirt this test is very useful.

[froze]

Gravel tires are really taking over on BRR.

It’s probably the fastest changing area of cycling which opens opportunities for tyre brands to catch new opportunities.

There is a big gap in fast 50mm gravel tyres for example, just a year or two ago this size was only considered for bikepacking. Now many riders are exploring wider tires for racing.

Will Schwalbe port their MTB dominance over to the g-one range or will Tufo port their newfound gravel tyre results into bigger sizes?

There are already questions on how applicable a drum test is for road…it’s even less reliable for heavily treaded tires on loose surfaces. I only find BRR’s gravel tire test results useful for mixed-surface rides with a large proportion being tarmac.

Then again, there really aren’t that any road tires that haven’t been tested and are interesting to me.

It's a starting point. In the same way if the Continental Aero is a sign of the future of road tyres and aerodynamics becomes a big consideration, again a drum is only going to tell part of the story.

The only thing I see is a future of much more expensive tires. Those tires are selling for $120, that's in the range of cheap car tires, and cheap car tires have a lot more technology, as well as a lot more materials used to make them than a damn skinny road bike tire, plus that cheap car tire will last 40,000, we'll only roughly get 5% of that on a bike tire.

[emotive]

The only thing I see is a future of much more expensive tires. Those tires are selling for $120, that's in the range of cheap car tires, and cheap car tires have a lot more technology, as well as a lot more materials used to make them than a damn skinny road bike tire, plus that cheap car tire will last 40,000, we'll only roughly get 5% of that on a bike tire.

The forces of the free market are in play here. Margins have not been increased recently. Costs have. If one tyre manufacturer could sell them cheaper they would do so to try and take market share.

There are plenty of bicycle tyres using hard compounds to last a long time, and at low prices. But not new models with new R+D costs to recoup.

Everything is more expensive than a few years ago. We are not going to see top tier road race tyres for $45 at Wiggle ever again.

[TobinHatesYou]

Everything is more expensive than a few years ago. We are not going to see top tier road race tyres for $45 at Wiggle ever again.

I see top tier road race tires at Lordgun for ~US$50 though.

[apr46]

Gravel tires are really taking over on BRR.

It’s probably the fastest changing area of cycling which opens opportunities for tyre brands to catch new opportunities.

There is a big gap in fast 50mm gravel tyres for example, just a year or two ago this size was only considered for bikepacking. Now many riders are exploring wider tires for racing.

Will Schwalbe port their MTB dominance over to the g-one range or will Tufo port their newfound gravel tyre results into bigger sizes?

There are already questions on how applicable a drum test is for road…it’s even less reliable for heavily treaded tires on loose surfaces. I only find BRR’s gravel tire test results useful for mixed-surface rides with a large proportion being tarmac.

Then again, there really aren’t that many untested road tires that are interesting to me.

Eh, drum testing is really good for understanding the properties of the tire. The problem with offroad tires is dealing with the changing conditions of the surface. Wider tires that affect the surface less will likely lose less energy. I don't think there is anything crazy there, but I do think it is helpful to think about tire RR and then surface displacement as two different things in terms of this kind of testing.

[jlok]

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[BigBoyND]

7 votes away from having two road tires on the list.

I'm holding out hope for the PZero Retro and SES 35mm making it next month

I thought the SES spec list must be wrong. 35mm is listed as just 290g while the 25mm is 240g. But R2 measured the 35mm at 293g. Must be using thinner Prima construction on the larger sizes

[Kubackjeee]

7 votes away from having two road tires on the list.

I'm holding out hope for the PZero Retro and SES 35mm making it next month

I thought the SES spec list must be wrong. 35mm is listed as just 290g while the 25mm is 240g. But R2 measured the 35mm at 293g. Must be using thinner Prima construction on the larger sizes

I will vote for PZero retro to see if the coloured sidewalls make difference. SES is just diffetent size, so no point for me.