Orange Seal

[MikeD]

I converted back to tubes where I previously used OS Regular in that tire and wheel. Cleaned out the inside of the tire and rim (Stan's rim tape) as best I could, but have had two recent, unexplained punctures in two different tubes. One was on the tread side (off center towards the sidewall) and the other dead center on the rim strip. Different areas of both tubes. The rim tape is relatively new and looks good. No spoke holes showing. The holes were a tiny puncture in the tube. I ran my fingers inside the tire and looked at the site of the puncture but could find no item imbedded in the tire. I've noticed that OS uses some shiny metal particles in the sealant. Could those cause flats? Could sealant remnants cause tube flats? I used no tools to install the tires and the flats occurred during rides. What's going on here?

[nickf]

I never had any issues with a set of 32c tlr tires im now running tubes in. Both tires had plenty of the orange seal glitter stuck to the inside of the tires. Might just be bad luck?

[Kubackjeee]

Get a better sealant. I use effetto Mariposa caffelatex and it's great and you clean in under a minute

[MikeD]

Get a better sealant. I use effetto Mariposa caffelatex and it's great and you clean in under a minute

Is it easy to clean that off the frame and clothing/shoes?

[Kubackjeee]

Get a better sealant. I use effetto Mariposa caffelatex and it's great and you clean in under a minute

Is it easy to clean that off the frame and clothing/shoes?

Sealants job is to seal tires and this one does this job perfectly. never ended on my frame or clothes. but if you are worried "what if" this happens, then effetto got you covered and they have a special liquid to sort it out, called - caffelatex remover.

Every latex base sealant is hard to remove so it's great to see that they thought about it.

[TobinHatesYou]

I converted back to tubes where I previously used OS Regular in that tire and wheel. Cleaned out the inside of the tire and rim (Stan's rim tape) as best I could, but have had two recent, unexplained punctures in two different tubes. One was on the tread side (off center towards the sidewall) and the other dead center on the rim strip. Different areas of both tubes. The rim tape is relatively new and looks good. No spoke holes showing. The holes were a tiny puncture in the tube. I ran my fingers inside the tire and looked at the site of the puncture but could find no item imbedded in the tire. I've noticed that OS uses some shiny metal particles in the sealant. Could those cause flats? Could sealant remnants cause tube flats? I used no tools to install the tires and the flats occurred during rides. What's going on here?

Never had this problem with Orange Seal or any other sealant.

Trying to blame sealant on an inner tube puncture is wild. I’d suspect, you know, the inner tube(s.) You haven’t mentioned if there was a visible perforation in the tire tread/casing or not. Besides, if the glitter was capable of slicing up an inner tubes you’d have cuts all over the tube.

[MikeD]

I converted back to tubes where I previously used OS Regular in that tire and wheel. Cleaned out the inside of the tire and rim (Stan's rim tape) as best I could, but have had two recent, unexplained punctures in two different tubes. One was on the tread side (off center towards the sidewall) and the other dead center on the rim strip. Different areas of both tubes. The rim tape is relatively new and looks good. No spoke holes showing. The holes were a tiny puncture in the tube. I ran my fingers inside the tire and looked at the site of the puncture but could find no item imbedded in the tire. I've noticed that OS uses some shiny metal particles in the sealant. Could those cause flats? Could sealant remnants cause tube flats? I used no tools to install the tires and the flats occurred during rides. What's going on here?

Never had this problem with Orange Seal or any other sealant.

Trying to blame sealant on an inner tube puncture is wild. I’d suspect, you know, the inner tube(s.) You haven’t mentioned if there was a visible perforation in the tire tread/casing or not. Besides, if the glitter was capable of slicing up an inner tubes you’d have cuts all over the tube.

Two separate brands of quality new inner tubes. Hardly any glitter in the tire. I had cleaned the tire and rim out pretty well, but can't get everything out, like I said. No evidence of a puncture in the tire or the defects in the rim strip at the site of the tube puncture. No flat issues with the front tire, which never had any sealant in it (only the rear). What is that shiny glitter? Looks like aluminum maybe. Right now, my best guess is that some glitter bits cut my tubes. In 40 years of riding, fixing flats and patching tubes, I've never had mystery flats like this and the evidence points to the dried sealant remnants.

[TobinHatesYou]

Two separate brands of quality new inner tubes. Hardly any glitter in the tire. I had cleaned the tire and rim out pretty well, but can't get everything out, like I said. No evidence of a puncture in the tire or the defects in the rim strip at the site of the tube puncture. No flat issues with the front tire, which never had any sealant in it (only the rear). What is that shiny glitter? Looks like aluminum maybe. Right now, my best guess is that some glitter bits cut my tubes. In 40 years of riding, fixing flats and patching tubes, I've never had mystery flats like this and the evidence points to the dried sealant remnants.

Glitter is made of plastic with a very thin film of reflective material...usually it's aluminum, sometimes not. Aluminum is very soft, especially at the thicknesses involved. There is no way the glitter or dried latex punctured your tube. I'm sure you've done roadside repairs with inner tubes before and gotten fine grains of mica/sand stuck inside with no issues whatsoever.

[MikeD]

Two separate brands of quality new inner tubes. Hardly any glitter in the tire. I had cleaned the tire and rim out pretty well, but can't get everything out, like I said. No evidence of a puncture in the tire or the defects in the rim strip at the site of the tube puncture. No flat issues with the front tire, which never had any sealant in it (only the rear). What is that shiny glitter? Looks like aluminum maybe. Right now, my best guess is that some glitter bits cut my tubes. In 40 years of riding, fixing flats and patching tubes, I've never had mystery flats like this and the evidence points to the dried sealant remnants.

Glitter is made of plastic with a very thin film of reflective material...usually it's aluminum, sometimes not. Aluminum is very soft, especially at the thicknesses involved. There is no way the glitter or dried latex punctured your tube. I'm sure you've done roadside repairs with inner tubes before and gotten fine grains of mica/sand stuck inside with no issues whatsoever.

Don't know. I just took the tire off and cleaned off virtually all of the dried OS, mostly lots still stuck to the tire beads. I cleaned the inside of the rim and tire again, and the tube periphery, of any loose particulate. There were no cuts or punctures I could see in the tire casing. Rim tape looked great. Hopefully, that was enough to get rid of anything that could have caused these punctures in the tube. Maybe it was a sharp bit of something floating around in the tire that caused the issue. Glitter is still harder than a butyl tube and is flat so there is an edge, but who knows? How many people convert back to tubes and use a tire that previously used sealant anyways?

[TobinHatesYou]

How many people convert back to tubes and use a tire that previously used sealant anyways?

When I am forced to use a tube in a tubeless tire, it remains there for the life of the tire or tube. I would assume this is common practice.

[warthog101]

Nup. I put the tube in to get home and then it is out. Patch the tyre if needed and back to tubeless ASAP. It is just so much better.
Having to put a tube in tubeless is a very rare event. Puncturing with a tube is far more common ime.

[pdlpsher1]

OS also put aluminum oxide powder in. That’s that black looking stuff that settles at the bottom of the bottle. Sometimes I save used sealant in a white ceramic bowl and you could see the aluminum oxide in the bowl easily. Aluminum oxide is very hard and abrasive.


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[TobinHatesYou]

Pure aluminum oxide is white. Media blasting aluminum oxide is brownish and contains impurities from other metals…the impurities also make it softer.

But it doesn’t matter because Orange Seal doesn’t contain any. If Orange Seal used abrasive media, then it would abrade off the printed labels on tubeless tapes like Silca’s loose carbon fibers do. Also Silca’s loose carbon fibers can be pulverized into graphite powder between your fingertips. Neither would cause a puncture in an inner tube. A single large grain of sand would be more likely to puncture a tube.

[Raimundo]

Hopefully with the blessing of the OP, i am using this thread instead of creating a new one.

Does anybody knows what the date on the Orange Seal bottles mean?
Is it the manufacturing date or is it the best before date?

I just bought a 1 liter bottle here in europe and it has a date of 04/11/24... I imagine this won't be the manufacturing date.

[bobones]

Apr 11 2024 in US locale?