Next Gen YEOLEO Wheels

[pdlpsher1]

Disk braking forces are transferred via the spokes. When the spokes are radially laced they transfer very little torque. On the front wheel only the 12 non-drive side spokes transmit the torque from braking. On the drive side the spokes are radially laced so they transmit very little torque. But radially laced spokes enable a higher spoke bracing angle, resulting in a more laterally stiff wheel.

Pillar Wing 20 are good spokes. They are used on the Campy Bora wheels.

[Mr.Gib]

My LB 45mm wheels weigh 1,302g using CX-Ray, flyweight layup, and DT180 hubs (HG).

My flyweight LB 50mm are 1350g with Carbon Ti hubs. Both our wheels are right at the limit of what is adequately robust for a full size adult male. And in my case the Carbon Ti rear hub is not really adequate for my 76kg. I am literally denting the alloy axle with the inboard freehub bearing - a significant comprimise in durabilty. What are the odds that the Yoleo hub is as solid as your 180's? I'm a little skeptical about how a wheel like this would survive a couple of seasons of high level crit racing under a decent size rider. Time will tell.

There's something wrong with the hub then. There's absolutely no way someone of 76kg should be doing that, assuming they're not regularly putting down 2000W sprints. Never had any issue with my carbonTi hubs, I'm heavier than you and hammer them on a gravel wheelset.

Nothing wrong with the hub. Meticulous maintenance, pre-load, etc. This is known problem with Carbon Ti. The axle is too soft. My rear hub was part of a batch that had undersized axles resulting in bearing play that caused the inner race to score the axle. The result was clicking noise under load. A lot of fresh grease would quite things for a couple of weeks at best. Carbon Ti is aware of the problem and sent a new axle that was a perfect fit - had to be tapped in with a mallet. Installed with new SKF bearings to eliminate that variable. After a few months of riding I removed the new axel for inspection and the first signs of scoring marks were appearing in the location of the inboard freehub bearing. Literally a faint ring around the axle that you can catch with your nail. Doesn't make noise, I keep it well greased, might be fine for years. But that rear axle should be steel or something harder than whatever they are using. When was the last time you inspected the axle on you Carbon Ti hubs?

I have strayed off topic, but the Carbon Ti story is a good example of the inevitable tradeoffs of the light stuff. I doubt Yoleo will be immune. Cheap, light, strong, pick one!

[pdlpsher1]

IMHO the hub is the most important component of a wheel. I don't know much about Carbon Ti. But I steer away from Extralight, as I have heard some reliability issues with their hubs. Before I started using DT Swiss hubs I had Shimano and Campy hubs. Shimano hubs are bullet proof but their wheels don't excite me. The Campy Bora wheels that I have are sexy however I keep wearing out the two sealed bearings in the freehub. Some say Campy don't use a weatherproof end caps to seal the outer bearings but I wear out the inner bearing as well. I have two sets of Boras and both see the same issue. It can't be a coincidence. Then came my gravel wheels with DT Swiss 240 EXP hubs. They are absolutely bullet proof. Their weather sealing is excellent and the bearings always feel as new. I had some reservations on getting the 180 over the 240 for my road bike as some said the 180 is less reliable. This is true due to the smaller bearings (3) used on the 180 (6802 vs. the 1526 in the 240). But the 180 wheels will be ridden in dry road conditions so hopefully they would serve me good.

[Singlish]

Unfortunately striving to be the perfect YouTuber for all people is impossible. Nor is that my goal obviously

Western branded frames like my Tarmac SL8 and Giant Propel, electronic groupsets, power meters, and other misc components like handlebars are all items I have to financially support myself. It's expensive yet we tend to gloss over this at times. Major companies aren't exactly knocking on my door to support my low-level channel. Ironically, I paid for my Tavelo Attack and CRW 5060 wheels. Because, ya know, I wouldn't expect Panda Podium to send free stuff to a YouTuber with only 10,000 subs. Lastly, the majority of products I feature I give high praise to simply because...they're actually good products. Shocking I know. Taking on wheels/frames that have a chance of being a dud is waste of everyone's time. What we don't see are all the products I decline to review...

As someone who:
-Doesn't race crits.
-Isn't an engineer.
-Doesn't have decades of industry experience.
-And isn't backed by corporate sponsorships/funding.

I'm not above criticism or critique. I do my best to offer up commentary while catering to the demographic of someone like myself. I train 10-12 hours/wk, enjoy competitive group rides, and strive to be as fit as I can be. Occasionally road race here and there, but mainly from the perspective of a enthusiast recreational rider. Viewers of the channel aren't looking for technical data or opinions of a racer. Those spots are filled by other YouTubers. Jokingly I considered starting a GoFundMe to raise money in order to keep my channel as "independent" and "uncompromised" as possible. But even that still has its fallacies. My channel isn't for everyone. Thankfully there are plenty of other YouTubers doing it waaaaay better than me. I'm just appreciative of the support I've receieved from this forum and others. Thank you!

About the CRW5060s: Yup they don't handle crosswinds well. They are better on my SL8 but not so much on my Propel. Perhaps I should swap the Yoeleo wheels on Propel to see if I experience similar instability. Maybe it's just the frame itself. Maybe Yoeleo has some magic sauce. But the CRW5060s are still my favorite set of road wheels.

Would you guys like me to reach out to Yoeleo regarding their descision of hubs and carbon layup? They are pretty light considering the specs for sure.

Your channel is one of my favourites, so thanks for doing what you do, it's appreciated.

[CrankAddictsRich]

Maybe Yoeleo has some magic sauce.

Maybe they do have some special sauce... I was on Yoeleo wheels a long time ago.... before many people on here knew of them or were brave enough to try them. Before Hambini's aero test where they did well. I raced on them on many local time trials and they always did well for me. I can't say if someone on board really knew what they were doing from an aero standpoint, or they somehow got lucky with a good shape, width, spoke design etc, but they were defintiely pretty fast.


I only have one set of their wheels now, but still know where each of my sets has gone and I know they're still rolling... which is almost 10 years for the oldest set.

I'm not aware of your youtube channel, but I can appreciate the words and sentiment in your post and I'm curious to check it out now and give it a watch.

[BeachRdWarrior]

Rim profile for these wheels: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wvWeZF ... sp=sharing

Let's hear your thoughts!

Seem similar to Scope Artech 6s: https://www.scopecycling.com/product/artech-6/

Some comparison to the DTSwiss ARC 62s and Roval Rapide rear, just not as pointed, more rounded off

Any have research on this toroidal shape? It looks like western brands aren't really following this design anymore. With Enve / Bontrager going sharp V shapes and Enve / Hunt doing blunt U shapes. DT/SwissSide design is pretty old now, I cant wait to see their next generation.

[toxin]

These are good shapes, but this one is too narrow, especially at the rim edge, for modern tyre size trends

[TobinHatesYou]

20% off for Black Friday and already live. At $800-880, these wheels are very hard to beat if they come near claimed weights. Also I wouldn’t blindly assume the rim edge is too narrow…I doubt any of us have an eyeball wind tunnel that can make that determination.

[toxin]

Was gonna make some drawings and shit but then I remembered. Scope artech 6, which have the exact same type of shape but even wider with 31mm at the rim edge, list optimal tyre width at 28mm.

That said, the value is indeed crazy. And it could be even better if they used a different set of hubs (cheaper too) from the same manufacturer that could lose them another 20g. And another front hub from the same manufacturer at the same weight, but it's laced 2:1 21 spoke instead. So another 10-15 g.

Some napkin math puts the 60mm rims at 430-440 a piece, which is really impressive for a rim that only uses t800. Honestly a great rim to put on the front if you're like me and don't believe in comfort from the front tyre.

[fidracer]

I picked up a 60/60 set during black friday and just received them. The specs looked pretty good for the price. After unboxing, honestly I'm a little disappointed because they aren't 32mm wide. It's also compounded by the internal width being above spec, too.

Weight: 1,369g
Internal width: 23.35mm
External width (at widest point): 31.21mm
External width (near rim edge): about 29mm

I'd call that 31mm wide. I measured them at three places around the rim and averaged the result. This puts them pretty close to Scope Artech 6, dimensionally speaking, albeit 5mm less deep, +100g, and -$3,400(!). Toxin above says the Scopes are 31mm at the rim edge, but the in the Scope thread they were reported to be less by CogInTheMachine.

I have a 29mm Conti Aero 111 on the way, but it's likely going to be wider than the rim edge which is too bad (using my bro-science take on aero).

[gloscherrybomb]

The 29mm will blow out to 30.5 at most.

[CogInTheMachine]

Toxin's comment made me double check my measurement of my Scope wheels. My calipers show between 28mm and 29mm where the rim and tire meet (depending upon exactly where). I've measured both the Artech 4 and 6. There's some variation around the rim, and some in my measurement technique, but I can say with certainty that mine are 31.x at their widest point, but not at the rim edge.

[toxin]

Thanks, seems scope graphics really are that crappy

[CogInTheMachine]

Yes. It is hard to trust the engineering of a company that can't get a basic drawing correct, isn't it?

Here's Scope's drawing of the A6 rim profile, with my illustrations of Toxin's point. Apparently the length of the dimension lines mean "sort of, somewhat, around here...ish".

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[spartan]

just got wheels delivered 1327 for 50's. i mounted a 26 sworks cotton blow up to 28.
the rim finish is flawless on mine. crazy light and cheap my crw 50/60 are 1290gm