Puncture proof winter road tyre with wide thread

[Agent041]

I am looking for new road winter tyre, as I am moving from 21mm internal rim to 24mm (or even 26mm) hooked internal rim width. Most important thing is puncture protection, then wet grip, and then decent rolling resistance.

Currently I have for winter Pirelli Cinturato Velo 32c. These tyres are really bulletproof (also according to BycicleRollingResistance (BRR)). Never had any issue. But the problem is, that these tyres have very narrow upper thread, and while on 21mm, cornering (and riding over sharp stones at it) was still OK, I am afraid that 24 (or 26) will just make it more risk for sidewall riding while cornering. I do not know how strong the sidewall on these tyres is, but do not want to find out freezing and in night time.

So am looking for something with wider thread. On gravel bike I went from Pirelli Cinterato H to Tufo Thundero HD, and am super happy with them. And as (I think) Turo road tyres have wide upper thread, am looking at those.

When comparing Tufo on BRR interestingly their new Endurance 7TR has much lower puncture protection as their Comtura 4. But Tufo shows more protection for Endurance 7. Which one shoud I trust? Comtura 4 should be also better as I can get them in 30c (Endurance 7 only 28c). And Tufo normally goes even wider the specified so should be even better.

Any sugestions on the Tufo options and puncture resistance? Maybe even some personal experiances?
I am open also to other sugestions, but only with wider thread and even better punture protection (according to BRR). Will be running Tubeles, and wheels are hooked. I have also looked at 5000AS, but BRR shows worse puncture protection.

[NealH]

I usually ride Gatorskins in the winter. Works very well.

[Agent041]

I usually ride Gatorskins in the winter. Works very well.

Were not very satisfied with them. Very very slow. And probably still not tubeless. I rode also 4seasons. Better, but also not tubeless tyre.

[CampagYOLO]

I think I'd rather turbo all winter than use Skaterskins.

Corsa Controls have a wider tread than the regular Corsas, have great wet grip and also good ride quality with the cotton casing. How about them?
I've foudn them in the real world to be significantly tougher than the regular Corsa's which the BRR scores suggest is not the case.

[Agent041]

Corsa Controls have a wider tread than the regular Corsas, have great wet grip and also good ride quality with the cotton casing. How about them?
I've foudn them in the real world to be significantly tougher than the regular Corsa's which the BRR scores suggest is not the case.

Thanks for the info. Unfortunatelly I see these have much lower puncture protection as Tufo Comtura 4, so it remains my favorite.

[Requiem84]

Pirelli P Zero TLR (speedcore).

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... ace-tlr-28

One of the best puncture protection scores, good wet weather scores (although anecdotal evidence suggests in the real world it might be different). And available in a lot of difference sizes.

I have run these tires nog since they came out last year and had zero punctures with them. Compared to the Corsa Pro's, GP5k's or Enve Race day tires that is night and day difference.

[Agent041]

Pirelli P Zero TLR (speedcore).

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... ace-tlr-28

One of the best puncture protection scores, good wet weather scores (although anecdotal evidence suggests in the real world it might be different). And available in a lot of difference sizes.

I have run these tires nog since they came out last year and had zero punctures with them. Compared to the Corsa Pro's, GP5k's or Enve Race day tires that is night and day difference.

Thanks. Will research them a bit. Although I still see way lower puncture resistance over Tufo Comtura 4. I had previous version (before speedcore), and were OK tyre, but had a nasty puncture over some small glass debree, so am not super confident about them. But as said, have read that speedcore is a big improvement. But probably not for puncture resistance.

[Requiem84]

Pirelli P Zero TLR (speedcore).

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... ace-tlr-28

One of the best puncture protection scores, good wet weather scores (although anecdotal evidence suggests in the real world it might be different). And available in a lot of difference sizes.

I have run these tires nog since they came out last year and had zero punctures with them. Compared to the Corsa Pro's, GP5k's or Enve Race day tires that is night and day difference.

Thanks. Will research them a bit. Although I still see way lower puncture resistance over Tufo Comtura 4. I had previous version (before speedcore), and were OK tyre, but had a nasty puncture over some small glass debree, so am not super confident about them. But as said, have read that speedcore is a big improvement. But probably not for puncture resistance.

Be a bit careful with the Puncture Protection score, I bough the SES Race day tire because it scored quite well in the PP score of BRR, but it punctured really easily. In the thread on this tire you can see many people suffering from punctures on this tire, so it seems the BRR tests on PP might not always relate 100% to the real world.

[Steve Curtis]

Continental gp urban. They blow up to 38 on a 25mm internal.
Fast, great in wet conditions and have good puncture protection- cheap too.

Edit, these are not tubeless, but I've used them for two winters with TPU tubes and only one pinch flat.

[Agent041]

Be a bit careful with the Puncture Protection score, I bough the SES Race day tire because it scored quite well in the PP score of BRR, but it punctured really easily. In the thread on this tire you can see many people suffering from punctures on this tire, so it seems the BRR tests on PP might not always relate 100% to the real world.

Maybe it best I contact Tufo directly to ask them for this issue regarding puncture testing from BRR, and if they still claim that Endurance 7TR is more bulletproof.

[razorree]

Any recommendations for grippy "winter/wet" tyre? (28-30mm, for 21mm inner w. rim, 5-15*C) I thought about putting them on my spare wheelset
In the mornings or late afternoons/at night some of my roads where I train are wet and I thought AS/4S tyres would help.
Of course I used bicyclerollingresistance, looks like GP5000 AS TR has the best grip
any experience? with it ?
or Pirelli P Zero Race 4S
Pirelli P Zero Race TLR 4S
something else?

[jdecraene85]

Any recommendations for grippy "winter/wet" tyre? (28-30mm, for 21mm inner w. rim) I thought about putting them on my spare wheelset
In the mornings or late afternoons/at night some of my roads where I train are wet and I thought AS/4S tyres would help.
Of course I used bicyclerollingresistance, looks like GP5000 AS TR has the best grip
any experience? with it ?
or Pirelli P Zero Race 4S
Pirelli P Zero Race TLR 4S
something else?

Maybe the new Bontrager Aeolus RSL TLR?

[Agent041]

My recommendations:
My priority is puncture resistance and then grip (which additionally comes with wider tyres and lower tyre pressure). You do not want to have a flat in freezing temperatures at night.

When I had up to 21c internal rims I had Pirelli Cinturato Velo 32c.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... -velo-2018
Trully bulletproof winter tyre. But it has narrow thread, and when I went to min. 24c internal rim, I wanted something with wider thread, so from this year I have Tufo Comtura 4 TR 30c.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... mtura-4-tr
This tyre as all Tufo tyres is very wide and on 24c internal rim comes at around 33,5mm. It has good rolling resistance (for specific winter tyre), and descent grip. Do not let total grip score fool you, as sidewall is not good grip, but thread is around Conti 5000STR grip. And as any Tufo tyre, thread is extremly wide. So you will not slide on sidewall. Good for cornering.