Newmen Streem Vonoa 2024

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bedampft
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toxin wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:47 pm
nino10 wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:09 pm
First Cube Bikes 2025 with the new Vonoa available...
https://cube-shop-chiemsee.de/search?sSearch=Cube+2025
Screenshot_20240827_220428_Samsung Internet.jpg
Thats a considerable price increase on the whole bike. You could buy an outgoing model, sell the wheels and buy a pair of new wheels and possibly make a profit

Seems the claims that Bross Zenith will be the new Cube aero bike were indeed bs
It's not an official Model.
That frame was only available as a standalone, they built it up themselfs. Has nothing to do with the 2025 lineup.

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Thx

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I couldn't stand waiting until tomorrow for the Aero111 and have been taking the Allround Vonoa for a first ride today.
They really cry for speed - "bring it on". I don't think they can really be ridden slowly.

The difference in weight to the Climbing is mainly in the rims (+125g/rim) which makes them less lively or nervous as riding sensation and more "regular" (to everyone to judge whether that's "good" or "bad").

Steering moment is really very linear and the wheels therefore very predictable and well-natured regarding handling; cornering at a bit over 70kph was fully bombproof.
They also share a similar comfort to the Climbing Vonoa, even though I think the latter have the edge here. Stifness definitely is 'sufficient' on both (also keep in mind the 130kg weight limit).
The internal width of 24mm (opposed to 22mm on the Climbing) to me feels nicer regarding tire footprint and handling. Riding sensation is similar to my Reserve 40|44 - set & forget, bombproof (feeling at least, quality of course needs to stand the test of time).
One observation however: Passing cars or trucks make them catch the wind more easily - here I find my deeper Reynolds BL 65 Pro better (which however really are sensational in terms of steering influences).

Similar to the Climbing the wheels are really silent (when going over cobbles or bad surface), however on a 1.6km 18% climb I had spoke pinging which I did not have on the Climbing and will have to look into this.


Whilst the liveliness make the Climbing feel more special and they possibly have the (slight) edge on steep climbs and out of the saddle-efforts or accelerations, the Allround are really extremely good for more steady pacing (e.g. seated climbing, no matter how steep) - that much that I am also considering to rather take these to the Alpes than the Climbing (and only use those as backup wheels).

On the bike they look as followed:
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by bedampft

thx for the input!

Have 5 front wheels here now, but the matching rear wheels are still 4 weeks out to be delivered.

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pk0r wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:26 pm
Similar to the Climbing the wheels are really silent (when going over cobbles or bad surface), however on a 1.6km 18% climb I had spoke pinging which I did not have on the Climbing and will have to look into this.
To follow up on the plinging noise whilst climbing: Straightening the rear rotor and surprisingly having had to adjust the RD's B-screw fixed the issue.
On a 19% climb today the wheels were dead silent as it should be.

Now have a few hundred kms on them and these are some really fast wheels.
Aero performance with 28mm tires should be equivalent to Roval CLX II on typical yaw angles, so most people know what to expect
Newman Vonao (2) A.49 28mm.png

What I observed however - and is a first to me - the wheels appear to get quicker the faster you go in comparison to other wheels, which is to say:
I'd say the aero scaling is not proportional to other wheels, improving with higher speeds on these. I did some 70 and 80kph descents on them and they really are as on rails there, seriously quick and (aerodynamically) stable. Maybe it is the low spoke count (that helps).
The effect becomes apparent from 40kph on I'd say.

Will mount some Conti Aero 111 over the weekend to see if that has some additional benefits (as said passing cars still make them catch some wind).

P.S.: Also finally managed to get the Streem Climbing Vonoa tubeless. Starting from scratch was the key; tubeless booster easily made the tires pop into the bead.
On the Allroad I did not need a booster though.
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Received my 60mm Sprint front wheel today. Bit disappointed by its weight - 653g incl. tape vs 610g advertised. Discounting 10g for the tape it's still a 33g "penalty". Within the usual 5% MOE but nonetheless...
Apart from that all fine, true with even spoke tension and best of all my Michelin PC 28 clincher was super easy to mount. WAM at slightly overinflated almost 6 bar (I always do that at 1st installation) is 30.5mm.
Now waiting for the rear wheel to become available...

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Please keep us posted when you also receive the rear wheel and how they fare. These sound really interesting as well. Funny how we are now complaining about a 650g 60mm deep front wheel :lol: - but I really totally feel for you! Still a great weight I'd say, hopefully your rear one comes closer to (or even under) spec then!

For now me personally I decided against them as I could not see how they could improve on my Reynolds BL 65 Pro (as these are nearly perfect), but maybe I am just wrong?!

Tested some Conti Aero 111 today on the Allround Vonoa [as described here]: Definitely quicker, but also worse in aero stability. 29mm version came out about 1mm shallower than the comparable 28mm GP5000 S TR.
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nikospeed wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2024 12:27 pm
Received my 60mm Sprint front wheel today. Bit disappointed by its weight - 653g incl. tape vs 610g advertised. Discounting 10g for the tape it's still a 33g "penalty". Within the usual 5% MOE but nonetheless...
Apart from that all fine, true with even spoke tension and best of all my Michelin PC 28 clincher was super easy to mount. WAM at slightly overinflated almost 6 bar (I always do that at 1st installation) is 30.5mm.
Now waiting for the rear wheel to become available...
Are you assuming the tape is 10g or has someone removed it and measured it?

I always remove stock tape and install Schwalbe, which only needs one layer and even that is still 8g/wheel. My last wheels had 22g/wheel of tape on them from factory.

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10g were an assumption. Might be worth verifying indeed. Thanks for the hint 👍

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pk0r wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2024 8:02 pm
Please keep us posted when you also receive the rear wheel and how they fare. These sound really interesting as well. Funny how we are now complaining about a 650g 60mm deep front wheel :lol: - but I really totally feel for you! Still a great weight I'd say, hopefully your rear one comes closer to (or even under) spec then!

For now me personally I decided against them as I could not see how they could improve on my Reynolds BL 65 Pro (as these are nearly perfect), but maybe I am just wrong?!

Tested some Conti Aero 111 today on the Allround Vonoa [as described here]: Definitely quicker, but also worse in aero stability. 29mm version came out about 1mm shallower than the comparable 28mm GP5000 S TR.

Do you have pictures of the Aero 111 on the wheel? I'd love to see how they fit the rim.

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nino10 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2024 2:42 pm
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First short impression is good...hardly sensitive to wind...
Thanks to the beautiful late summer here, I can now also say a few words about subj. riding impressions.
Setup: 28 mm Schwalbe Pro One tube type (actually measured 30 mm) with Aerothan Race tubes (and still a bit too high pressure with front 4.9 bar /rear 5.2 bar/ system weight < 80 kg).
The LRS accelerates quickly - seems to be quite stiff.
Handling is very agile despite the width - but not nervous.
Comfort is good, but could be a little better for the width - but this is probably less due to the spokes than to the pressure, which is still too high.
Crosswinds can be felt on the front wheel in certain gusts, but are easy to predict/control.
Rolling characteristics are subjectively very good for the height and weight (Zipp 404, for example, roll better)
Freewheel hums at a nice, slightly higher frequency - quiet, but still easy to hear.
Overall, a visually and technically absolutely successful all-rounder.
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Appreciate the update. Sounds great so far!

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S1inker wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2024 5:39 pm
Do you have pictures of the Aero 111 on the wheel? I'd love to see how they fit the rim.
Mounted tire looks like that
PXL_20240901_081622080.jpg
WAM now increased to 30.3mm after another 100km ride (29mm version of tire).
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Thank you!

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