Craft Racing wheels - carbon spokes 1180g

[LanceLegstrong]

Lol, allrandomletters and LanceLegstrong all bent out of shape and insecure because someone reports problems with the product they have bought, classic!

Lol. I actually sold my set with my last bike. No issues but 21 internal is too narrow for me. Farsports at 24 is about the narrowest I'll ride these days. Great wheels otherwise and if they update the rims with wider profiles I'll buy another set. Scope 4.A would be ideal.

[allrandomletters]

I'm not bent out of shape at all. I am just really curious what equipment people have that pass the standard of 'no issues reported by any people ever'. Don't get mad at me, I didn't make up that standard - it is just the totally fair standard that is being thrust forward here. . . for reasons. . . I really can't think of any brand frame, wheels, groupset, or other parts that pass that standard. This forum is full of people (and some designers/manufacturers) experimenting, pushing equipment to (or past) it's limits. Reports of issues are not uncommon - they are inevitable.

Feedback from people who have never touched the wheels, and will never buy is infinitely valuable, I am sure! Let me know when you guys get your paid consultant checks, or whatever.

Dont worry, I am going back under a rock for another 6 months to enjoy my wheels.

If it makes you feel better to read my posts, and think I am bent out of shape - that is some GRADE A projection. Go outside.

Thanks!

[Jaisen]

I'm not bent out of shape at all. I am just really curious what equipment people have that pass the standard of 'no issues reported by any people ever'. Don't get mad at me, I didn't make up that standard - it is just the totally fair standard that is being thrust forward here. . . for reasons. . . I really can't think of any brand frame, wheels, groupset, or other parts that pass that standard. This forum is full of people (and some designers/manufacturers) experimenting, pushing equipment to (or past) it's limits. Reports of issues are not uncommon - they are inevitable.

Feedback from people who have never touched the wheels, and will never buy is infinitely valuable, I am sure! Let me know when you guys get your paid consultant checks, or whatever.

Dont worry, I am going back under a rock for another 6 months to enjoy my wheels.

If it makes you feel better to read my posts, and think I am bent out of shape - that is some GRADE A projection. Go outside.

Thanks!

Do you not see an issue with pretending all issues are of the same severity? Someone who has a wheel that has come a little out of true is not experiencing a problem of the same magnitude as a different rider who has their tire blow off the rim of a hookless wheel despite having followed all the manufacturer guidelines and all the ETRTO safety guidelines. One of these is a minor annoyance that might require a little bit of shop time and money to fix, the other can be life threatening. But sure let's pretend all issues are equivalent.

Also who cares who reports the problem, be it a paying customer or a test rider or a casual observer. What should matter is whether or not the reported issue is in fact a real problem or not. The source is irrelevant.

[Requiem84]

The issue with forums in general always is whether it concerns a N=1 situation, or whether it is a structural design/engineering problem.

I didn't follow this topic thát closely, but I don't think we have seen mány people with sudden deflation? If it's just 1 person here it can be a particular problem rather than a generic issue.

[Nickldn]

Forgetting blow outs and all that, the main issue with tyres dropping off the rim is just the PITA factor. I deflate my tyres to add sealant to through the valve so having them unseat fully laden with sealant is a recipe for mess when blowing them back on. I also don't want them popping off out on the road if I'm trying to plug a hole then having to pray a CO2 will get them back on, or worse, having to fit a tube.

It's not that bad on a static tyre. I have a slow puncture on my front rim mounted GP5000S TR and it's stayed mounted in the rim hooks even though it's at 0 psi. Pumping back up is not an issue (but finding the puncture is).

Suspect the tyre would only fall into the centre channel if all the air is drained and a vacuum suckes away the sides from the hooks.

[Jaisen]

The issue with forums in general always is whether it concerns a N=1 situation, or whether it is a structural design/engineering problem.

I didn't follow this topic thát closely, but I don't think we have seen mány people with sudden deflation? If it's just 1 person here it can be a particular problem rather than a generic issue.

True, without knowing how many wheelsets have sold, we don't know the scale of the problem. The cases reported here might be statistically insignificant. Or on the flip side, they could represent a genuine manufacturing deficiency. Furthermore, as I've personally experienced, if the rim tape is not perfectly applied, it can cause the same issue. Last time I taped one of my wheelsets, I saw the rim tape went up a touch on the rim sidewall in a few spots and I had the same issue. When I reapplied the tape so that it only made contact with the rim bed and didn't go up the sidewall anywhere, the problem went away. So again, the issue might just be a few cases slipped passed QC but the wheels themselves are perfectly fine.

Without being able to inspect the problematic wheels it is hard to say anything definitive. That said, it is also reasonable for people to report on this forum the issues they are experiencing and for people like me who don't own the wheels to chip in with our thoughts. Be it to say try this or that, or to say I wouldn't ride a wheelset where the tires don't stay seated.

[bcarvalho]

Lol, allrandomletters and LanceLegstrong all bent out of shape and insecure because someone reports problems with the product they have bought, classic!

Lol. I actually sold my set with my last bike. No issues but 21 internal is too narrow for me. Farsports at 24 is about the narrowest I'll ride these days. Great wheels otherwise and if they update the rims with wider profiles I'll buy another set. Scope 4.A would be ideal.

Can you really notice the difference in ride curiosity from 21 to 24 ?
I would say external width plays a heavier role.

[bcarvalho]

Lol, allrandomletters and LanceLegstrong all bent out of shape and insecure because someone reports problems with the product they have bought, classic!

Lol. I actually sold my set with my last bike. No issues but 21 internal is too narrow for me. Farsports at 24 is about the narrowest I'll ride these days. Great wheels otherwise and if they update the rims with wider profiles I'll buy another set. Scope 4.A would be ideal.

Can you really notice the difference in ride quality from 21 to 24 ?
I would say external width plays a heavier role.

[LanceLegstrong]

Lol, allrandomletters and LanceLegstrong all bent out of shape and insecure because someone reports problems with the product they have bought, classic!

Lol. I actually sold my set with my last bike. No issues but 21 internal is too narrow for me. Farsports at 24 is about the narrowest I'll ride these days. Great wheels otherwise and if they update the rims with wider profiles I'll buy another set. Scope 4.A would be ideal.

Can you really notice the difference in ride curiosity from 21 to 24 ?
I would say external width plays a heavier role.

Can I feel the difference between a 25 tire and a 32? Wider rims means bigger inflated tire widths. So yes, I can tell the difference.

[Rabble]

Lol, allrandomletters and LanceLegstrong all bent out of shape and insecure because someone reports problems with the product they have bought, classic!

Lol. I actually sold my set with my last bike. No issues but 21 internal is too narrow for me. Farsports at 24 is about the narrowest I'll ride these days. Great wheels otherwise and if they update the rims with wider profiles I'll buy another set. Scope 4.A would be ideal.

Can you really notice the difference in ride curiosity from 21 to 24 ?
I would say external width plays a heavier role.

You will absolutely notice a difference in ride quality from a 3mm IW increase. It will be really noticable.
External width plays almost no part in ride quality (as in, how the road imperfections are transmitted to the rider). EW likely has a large impact on aerodynamics.

[Gattsu]

Hi, a Question to EU people:

What is so attractive on CRW wheels (5060) ?

The price is 1680 US Dollar and I have to pay aprox. 20% VAT and 3-8 % Customs duty?
For that crazy amount I get no name lightweight hub and carbon spokes. Is it reliable like DT240 that last a century?

I dont want to sound like a hater but I am considering for the first time for such or similar purchase. I already have chinese wheels on my MTB but on DT and CX sapym and they are superb.

Here ist the hight price, no name Hub, not modern internal width? for that price I can get the discounted rovals ( for compare).

Thanks in advance for some explenations

[Jaisen]

Hi, a Question to EU people:

What is so attractive on CRW wheels (5060) ?

The price is 1680 US Dollar and I have to pay aprox. 20% VAT and 3-8 % Customs duty?
For that crazy amount I get no name lightweight hub and carbon spokes. Is it reliable like DT240 that last a century?

I dont want to sound like a hater but I am considering for the first time for such or similar purchase. I already have chinese wheels on my MTB but on DT and CX sapym and they are superb.

Here ist the hight price, no name Hub, not modern internal width? for that price I can get the discounted rovals ( for compare).

Thanks in advance for some explenations

They basically have the same rim profile as the Roval Rapides, which are class leading in aerodynamic and stability, plus the CRWs are extremely light weight, making them on par with many climbing wheelsets. That alone makes them extremely attractive. As long as the reliability is there, read through the entire thread to form your own opinion, they are one of the best wheelsets on the market. The fact the price is lower than Roval or Enve's is a bonus.

[toxin]

The rims are nothing like rovals

[Jaisen]

The rims are nothing like rovals

What I mean is: Front: 50mm depth, 34mm wide. Rear: 60 mm depth, 29mm wide. Most wheels that have staggered setups tend to have the rear wider, and as far as I am aware, Roval was one of the first to change that and go very wide on the front rim.

Where the CRW's are very different: the front wheel has 25mm internal width whereas the Roval's are 21mm both front and rear.

By comparison, Enve SES 4.5 have 32mm external front and rear, with the depth front 50mm and rear 56mm. Both front and rear are also 25mm so there is no staggered approach to these rim profiles.

ETA: Both the Rovals and from what I can see on PandaPodium, the CRW's have a pretty U shaped rim contour. By contrast the Enve's have a Uish shaped rim on the front and a V shape on the rear.

[apr46]

The rims are nothing like rovals

What I mean is: Front: 50mm depth, 34mm wide. Rear: 60 mm depth, 29mm wide. Most wheels that have staggered setups tend to have the rear wider, and as far as I am aware, Roval was one of the first to change that and go very wide on the front rim.

Where the CRW's are very different: the front wheel has 25mm internal width whereas the Roval's are 21mm both front and rear.

By comparison, Enve SES 4.5 have 32mm external front and rear, with the depth front 50mm and rear 56mm. Both front and rear are also 25mm so there is no staggered approach to these rim profiles.

ETA: Both the Rovals and from what I can see on PandaPodium, the CRW's have a pretty U shaped rim contour. By contrast the Enve's have a Uish shaped rim on the front and a V shape on the rear.

From my perspective, the rim shaping of the 5060 is quite different than that of the Rovals. In their white paper, which also looks at the Roval design, Hunt says that one of the key features of the Sub50 wheels that they seem to have replicated from the Rovals are the "shoulders" that are used to trip the air and that it was key to getting the performance they were looking for. The whitepaper is here:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0686/ ... 1706711205

To Joe's credit, he writes about this feature in his comparison too. The aero performance between all of these wheels is pretty darn small though--and I would be really curious to see what a pair of 5060s would do vs. the Rovals if they were both shod with Conti's 111 tires--as I suspect that tire's effects would produce a similar effect of the wider "shoulder" region.