Craft Racing wheels - carbon spokes 1180g

[gloscherrybomb]

I'm still trying to choose between 5055 and 5060 and the most decisive factor for me is crosswind stability. Apparently, the lip between the tire and wheel somehow contributes to better stability. Inspired by the Nero Show I've made a chart to show the ratio between inner and outer width.



And it seems like 5055 running 25mm tire combo can be better than 5060 running 28s
What do you think?

They pulled that ratio out of thin air I've never seen anything supporting that logic. Please point me in the right direction if there is something.

If you want better stability drop the bro science and put a conti 111 on the front.

[toxin]

I'm still trying to choose between 5055 and 5060 and the most decisive factor for me is crosswind stability. Apparently, the lip between the tire and wheel somehow contributes to better stability. Inspired by the Nero Show I've made a chart to show the ratio between inner and outer width.



And it seems like 5055 running 25mm tire combo can be better than 5060 running 28s
What do you think?

Just put a conti aero 111 on the front if stability concerns you that much

[skidrrr]

Last weekend a friend of mine who has a pair of 5060's let me ride them. He has Shimano 12spd and I have SRAM. We swapped the wheels as is and it turn out that we both were able to shift without any noticeable issues.


As for the impressions. The look of wide 16 carbon spokes is stunning. The insane snapiness is felt immediately and the comfort of the 28 mm tires is also very, very pleasant, although I missed the flywheel effect at high speed.

I'm leaning towards the CRW CS 5060 to replace the KNOT 64 and Metron 45 for my SystemSix and only use one set of all-round wheels.

Oh yeah, my friend is more or less the same heigh and weight as me and I asked him about crosswinds and he basically said to check Velominati rule number five, which wasn't very inspiring )))

So thanks for suggesting Aero 111. I think I will give it a go.

[justinfoxphotos]

So thanks for suggesting Aero 111. I think I will give it a go.

Can vouch for Aero 111's. I have a 65 deep front wheel and the Aero 111's have been truly magical with crosswinds, so much so I feel the need to stock up on them in fear that they ever stop selling them as I can't see myself running anything else.

Thanks for sharing the photo, those aero spokes sure do look amazing!

[bcarvalho]

Thanks for your help. The videos would be really helpful. I don't have Instagram though only Facebook. Is there anyway you could share it in a Google drive folder and invite my account: bcarvalho.btt@gmail.com ? Or else I would as a friend to access his Instagram.

In the meantime I mailed panda podium.
When I receive feedback I'll post.

My CRW5055 are 4k KMS and I hear a click noise out of the back hub and feel a tiny play that's way I wanted to strip the system and do preventive maintenance.

A bit of a shame for this price point wheels such low quality bearings. Additionally not having local support sucks.

And we can't compare this design to previous wheel bearing designs. Totally different product requirements. Times change, requirements change

I just uploaded all the footage I made from the assembly.
Might not be perfectlyt sorted, sry, but you can download all and sort by date or filename an then the order should be alright
Also invited you to the gallery via mail.
Direct Link incl. simple mail registration so I can control the gallery access.
https://chriskohl.pixieset.com/crwbearing/

Also just Made an IG reel out of it ckchriskohl

Thanks a lot for sharing i already took a look and it will help for sure.
Regarding the frontwheel, do you have similar footage? would hel too.

Frontwheel is quite straightforward. Pull the endcaps off and slightly hammer the bearings out from the respective inner side. hammering step by step an all sides, so the bearing does not catch an edge. Easy as that. Sadly no footage.
What did help me was this video of rides of japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA0uU_Rstd4

Yeah. That's what I thought!
Thanks a lot for the support!!
I'll have to record a video and send to panda podium to show the little play at the back wheel and who knows they can send me new bearings.
If not I'll have to opt for NTN.

[ChinaCycling]

White spokes... not a retail thing (they're a pain in the a** for CRW to do for multiple reasons) but... any demand?

[toxin]

Not a customer for these because I don't agree with the rim profiles, but they look really cool.

Tho I expect shit from the road would stick to them and then the novely would wear off quick.

[BeachRdWarrior]

Agree with Toxin.

I'm super keen on CRW but the only wheel I like the look of are the 6575. But for some reason I still can't pull the trigger.

[SkipperNZ]

Very long time lurker (over 10years), first time poster.
I am trying to decide between the CRW 5055s and the FARSPORTS 2025 New EVO S Series in 50mm. They are both simlar weight with the Farsports being slightly lighter, and also slightly cheaper (running the Steel Enduro bearings).
Thoughts?

[toxin]

crw will be better performing, farsports cheaper and can handle slightly wider tyres

[tonimartini]

crw will be better performing, farsports cheaper and can handle slightly wider tyres

Can you elaborate a bit more as to why CRWs will perform better? I'm also considering the new Farsports EVOs5 vs the CRW 50x55, and I'm leaning towards the Farsports due to the lighter weight (-60g, but who knows if that's in the hub or at the rim where it counts), wider inner/outer width (24mm vs 21 and 30 vs 29mm) and the Ceramicspeed hubs. Given that the difference in specs is so small I doubt there are any meaningful aero advantages for one wheelset or the other, but happy to be educated by someone who has ridden both.

[wheelbuilder]

crw will be better performing, farsports cheaper and can handle slightly wider tyres

Can you elaborate a bit more as to why CRWs will perform better? I'm also considering the new Farsports EVOs5 vs the CRW 50x55, and I'm leaning towards the Farsports due to the lighter weight (-60g, but who knows if that's in the hub or at the rim where it counts), wider inner/outer width (24mm vs 21 and 30 vs 29mm) and the Ceramicspeed hubs. Given that the difference in specs is so small I doubt there are any meaningful aero advantages for one wheelset or the other, but happy to be educated by someone who has ridden both.

Toxin has not ridden both I don't think. He just does a shitload of research. I mean a lot. He is like having a research assistant working for you personally. Very helpful.

[toxin]

Lower spoke count on the front and internal nipples = better aero for crw. Slightly wider spokes on crw, though I haven't been able to get anybody to measure the thickness of their farsports spokes yet. Crw should have a bit more weight in the rim. If that matters? With differences this small, math says the measurable difference should be absolutely tiny, though some people claim they can feel it.

Edit: yeah I'm just a student so way too broke to get my hands on this stuff

[gloscherrybomb]

'better performing' needs a lot of asterixes after it then.

Pick the ones you like the look of best.

[toxin]

When climbing at very low speeds, the weight will put the farsports ahead, but if that's so important, might as well get the S3. At any appreciable speed those nipples will incure notable losses. There's also the two extra spokes at the back on CRW that should theoretically make them stiffer, but shouldn't be a big deal in practice.

But yeah realistically the differences are so small for regular ppl, that the subjective should probably trumb the objective.