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hm123
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Andy340
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by Andy340 on Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:52 pm
Ordered a set of AR56 disc in carbon spoke configuration using their speed hub gen2 during BF sale - will probably take a while for build/shipping. Couldn't find too many posts on their new carbon spokes and gen 2 hub but they seem to be ok (some reports of play in bearings). Does anyone have recent experience or issues to be aware of with hubs/spokes for their carbon spoke builds?
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robertbb
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by robertbb on Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:54 am
maxim809 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:10 am
robertbb wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 12:05 am
Someone with 2 posts and 4 posts...
Shill's gonna shill.
I am seriously going to start temp-banning people who antagonize new users. Every old user who has speculated on this has so far been wrong. It's as sickening as I am sick of it.
Seen plenty of power tripping mods in my 15 years on the forum, too.
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goroldM
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by goroldM on Sun Dec 08, 2024 5:32 pm
What would you say is more durable for off-road riding (with a 50mm tire): a WR40 x-flow standard weight or a AR25 with extra carbon reinforcement for more off-road durability. And why?
And a separate question: The XC924 has a hybrid hook and an inner width of 24mm and acc. to LB works with 2.1-2.4" tires. The WR40 has a standard hook and a 25mm inner width. Given these hook and inner width specifications shouldn't the WR40 also work with 2.1 to 2.4 inch tires?
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emotive
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by emotive on Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:00 pm
goroldM wrote:What would you say is more durable for off-road riding (with a 50mm tire): a WR40 x-flow standard weight or a AR25 with extra carbon reinforcement for more off-road durability. And why?
And a separate question: The XC924 has a hybrid hook and an inner width of 24mm and acc. to LB works with 2.1-2.4" tires. The WR40 has a standard hook and a 25mm inner width. Given these hook and inner width specifications shouldn't the WR40 also work with 2.1 to 2.4 inch tires?
I recently used DT Swiss XMC1200 rims built up onto DT road hubs for a gravel wheelset for some 50mm tyres. I thought the 30i would be good for 50mm tyres. I found the ride more harsh, so switched the tyres onto 29i gravel wheels and they are more comfortable. This is a small sample size but the XC rim is built to a MTB specification while the gravel rims are potentially not.
I would expect the MTB rim would be more durable off road because it is designed to sustain for bigger hits.
Yes, the WR40 will work with 2.4” tyres also. It’s just at that size (and resulting low tyre pressure) you don’t really need a hooked bead. And you potentially want a MTB wheel rated for hitting big rocks. But it will work.
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satanas
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by satanas on Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:42 am
The AR25 and XC 924 are variants of the same rim; LB announced them simultaneously. Presumably there are differences in the layup to withstand more pressure or more width respectively.
A while back I asked LB about running wider (55-57mm) tyres on one of their i25 gravel rims (recommended for 28-50mm) and they said it'd be fine. FWIW, ETRTO says i25 is okay for 29-71mm, but rim manufacturers' specs vary.
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goroldM
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by goroldM on Tue Dec 10, 2024 8:57 am
emotive wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:00 pm
goroldM wrote:What would you say is more durable for off-road riding (with a 50mm tire): a WR40 x-flow standard weight or a AR25 with extra carbon reinforcement for more off-road durability. And why?
I would expect the MTB rim would be more durable off road because it is designed to sustain for bigger hits.
Light bicycle categorizes both of them as gravel rims
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Agent041
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by Agent041 on Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:34 am
Which model of LightBicycle wheels, are now considered as top road model? With lightest rim, carbon spokes, and wider internal rim. So optimal acceleration and stifness.
Comparable with Farsports S EVO and Hypers with carbon spokes on wheelsfar.
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jlok
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by jlok on Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:10 am
I don't think carbon spokes should be considered "top" as it limits the choice of hubs, and the so-called latest revised speedhubs that the carbon spokes needed are unproven yet.
Rikulau V9 DB Custom < BMC TM02 < Litespeed T1sl Disc < Giant Propel Advanced SL Disc 1 < Propel Adv < TCR Adv SL Disc < KTM Revelator Sky < CAAD 12 Disc < Domane S Disc < Alize < CAAD 10
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Agent041
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by Agent041 on Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:28 am
jlok wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:10 am
I don't think carbon spokes should be considered "top" as it limits the choice of hubs, and the so-called latest revised speedhubs that the carbon spokes needed are unproven yet.
Nevertheless for me carbon spokes are the best (specially for my riding style), and now already have severasl wheels with them. And I am not going back to steel spokes.
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Duylamphan
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by Duylamphan on Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:26 pm
Ordered a set of WR45s recently for my Tarmac SL7. Hooked and plan to run tubes. Are people going with 28mm or 30mm tires?(I know ETRTO doesn't support 28mm on 25mm ID rims but I think that is mainly applicable to hookless?). Will be using Conti GP5000s. I weigh 148lbs and ride typical Socal roads. Maybe 28mm front and 30mm back for best aero/comfort combo?
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windscreen
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by windscreen on Fri Dec 13, 2024 8:40 pm
I've been running Conti GP5000 in STR and TT-TR on WR series rims (WR50 and WR65) for 2 1/2 years, at 28 mm size, all tubeless. When mounted they are 31.8 mm WAM, and after some time they measure at 32.6 mm. That violates the 105% rule, but that rule is an observational guideline and I find the wider used tires don't seem to notably add drag or change the wheel's very nice, benign cross wind characteristic. But, being an aeroweenie, I'd be hesitant to add another 2 mm with the 30 mm tire, without someone else chiming in with good experiences going that far away from 105%
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Mr.Gib
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by Mr.Gib on Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:35 pm
Duylamphan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:26 pm
Ordered a set of WR45s recently for my Tarmac SL7. Hooked and plan to run tubes. Are people going with 28mm or 30mm tires?(I know ETRTO doesn't support 28mm on 25mm ID rims but I think that is mainly applicable to hookless?). Will be using Conti GP5000s. I weigh 148lbs and ride typical Socal roads. Maybe 28mm front and 30mm back for best aero/comfort combo?
You won't have problems with 28 Conti. 30 rear tire works fine also. That's my combo on WR50s.
I'd urge you to consider tubeless. If you are avoiding tubeless because it is just something you haven't done, don't fear the learning curve - invest in an Airshot and jump in. The LB rims were very easy to set up with GP5000S TR. I still use inner tubes for travel and bikes that might spend months without being touched, but tubeless for everything else.
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