Bora WTO

[jlok]

I currently own and have ridden both the disc brake Bora WTO 60 and the Bora Ultra WTO 60, and figured I would write a comparison.

The fit and finish of both is the best of any wheelset. The manufacturing tolerances are exceptional such as I can swap both sets in my S-Works and do not need to adjust the caliper. The carbon front hub is beautiful. I like the graphics on both wheelsets but the Ultra's having the flakes of copper is truly stunning.

When I first picked-up the Ultra rear wheel by the freehub it just started to spin. It was very apparent how little rolling resistance the Ultra's had compared to the standard WTO. On the road, the freehub sounds the same and I'm not sure how well I can truly sense a difference but it does seem to be rolling smoother.

Over time, I had changed the Bora WTO from Campy, to Shimano, to XDR and then to N3W. It is pretty incredible that it is so easy. You can't go wrong with either set, they are the best wheels I have owned but if you can afford it then get the Ultras.

On a side-note, I also own the rim brake Bora WTO 60's and Bora WTO 45's. These are exceptional wheels as well.

Are you riding the C23 or the older models?

[rollinslow]

I currently own and have ridden both the disc brake Bora WTO 60 and the Bora Ultra WTO 60, and figured I would write a comparison.

The fit and finish of both is the best of any wheelset. The manufacturing tolerances are exceptional such as I can swap both sets in my S-Works and do not need to adjust the caliper. The carbon front hub is beautiful. I like the graphics on both wheelsets but the Ultra's having the flakes of copper is truly stunning.

When I first picked-up the Ultra rear wheel by the freehub it just started to spin. It was very apparent how little rolling resistance the Ultra's had compared to the standard WTO. On the road, the freehub sounds the same and I'm not sure how well I can truly sense a difference but it does seem to be rolling smoother.

Over time, I had changed the Bora WTO from Campy, to Shimano, to XDR and then to N3W. It is pretty incredible that it is so easy. You can't go wrong with either set, they are the best wheels I have owned but if you can afford it then get the Ultras.

On a side-note, I also own the rim brake Bora WTO 60's and Bora WTO 45's. These are exceptional wheels as well.

Are you riding the C23 or the older models?

C19. That's my preference since I ride 25mm tires.

[Valy]

Can they just do an updated Zonda disc with 19 or 20mm internal?

That would be perfect. I have Zondas and really feel the reduced comfort and handling over a 21mm internal width rim I had before.

Recently aquired Boras WTO 45 and at 19mm internal there is a very big difference already. For comfort, not cornering feel though - I found a 28mm Corsa makes the Zondas C17 feel similar to the wider rim at 21mm internal.

It's not quite as simple as "just" ...
There's a whole raft of testing to be done before any new rim is launched, especially given the (in general) shared rim platforms between Campagnolo & Fulcrum, with two different spoke patterns to manage ...

Just saw the message. You've outlined R&D and ROI. I would love to get some wider rims for my rim brake bike, but it's looking like an ever reducing likelyhood.

[barbaar]

I currently own and have ridden both the disc brake Bora WTO 60 and the Bora Ultra WTO 60, and figured I would write a comparison.

The fit and finish of both is the best of any wheelset. The manufacturing tolerances are exceptional such as I can swap both sets in my S-Works and do not need to adjust the caliper. The carbon front hub is beautiful. I like the graphics on both wheelsets but the Ultra's having the flakes of copper is truly stunning.

When I first picked-up the Ultra rear wheel by the freehub it just started to spin. It was very apparent how little rolling resistance the Ultra's had compared to the standard WTO. On the road, the freehub sounds the same and I'm not sure how well I can truly sense a difference but it does seem to be rolling smoother.

Over time, I had changed the Bora WTO from Campy, to Shimano, to XDR and then to N3W. It is pretty incredible that it is so easy. You can't go wrong with either set, they are the best wheels I have owned but if you can afford it then get the Ultras.

On a side-note, I also own the rim brake Bora WTO 60's and Bora WTO 45's. These are exceptional wheels as well.

I can only agree with this post. I have the Bora WTO 60 and Bora WTO 33. The 60's look way better on my bike but I use the 33's for rides that go up-and-down a lot. I did several GF's on both. They are rock solid. Did over 105 km/h on the 33's and still felt super stable. I never needed to true any of the wheels.

I don't have the 45's, but I do think they are the best choice for any ride. I feel the 60's are a bit harder to corner, especially when there are hairpins. That's why I have the 33's. I'm currently riding with 28 mm (Bora 60) tubeless Michelin or 25mm (Bora 33) tubeless Michelin.

[TheBeautifulOne]

Im currently riding Bora WTO Ultras and previously ridden "ordinary" WTOs. Both in size 45. Apart from slight weight penalty for regular ones there is not much of a difference. Both are exquisitely made, also never had to true them (clocked 12,000 km on standard WTOs so far 3000 on ultras). Stability in cross winds is probably one of the best I have experienced for mid-depth wheels.

I am on the heavier side of a cyclist (182cm 88kg) and they survived even quite nasty potholes without any issues.

[dannyperish]

just interesting, has anyone measured how 28mm tires fit on the new C23, how much they inflate?

After all, the outer side of the new Bora is only 28.4mm

[Nixster]

It's going to depend on the tyre in question.
BUT there's a general guideline that 2mm additional internal width gives 1mm tyre width. So on that basis a 28mm GP5000 TR is likely 30mm WAM and a 25mm likely 27mm WAM given they are true to printed size on my 19mm internal WTOs.

[mazador]

Campy just announced Super Record S. Part of that announcement were matching matt black Bora WTO & Ultra WTO wheelsets.
Given that the Ultra is raw carbon + resin, wonder how they got it matt.

[jlok]

They have done successful experiment on Fulcrum Speed 42 / 57 already.

[dannyperish]

It's going to depend on the tyre in question.
BUT there's a general guideline that 2mm additional internal width gives 1mm tyre width. So on that basis a 28mm GP5000 TR is likely 30mm WAM and a 25mm likely 27mm WAM given they are true to printed size on my 19mm internal WTOs.

asking for 5000 28mm for c23

but for old version c19 25mm 5000 is 25mm, may be 25.5, no question

[mazador]

My set of Bora WTO 60 C23 with Shimano HG freehub arrived today. Actual weights are:
Front - 678g
Rear - 796g
Total - 1474g
(weighed w/o valves or CL lockrings)
Lockrings 11g each inc. the silver washer.

14g over listed weight of 1460g, given thats probably for a lighter Campy or XDR hub is pretty good. Had toyed with the Ultra, but it just didn't make sense with only 50g less & 21 spokes for +1000EUR.

[wrs]

Just bought some discounted WTO 45 (C19); feels like the best rim brake wheel money can buy, and I pulled the trigger before they were gone.

What's the right answer to lubricate a Shimano HG11 freehub (model is FH-BO015X1)? Kluber, other grease, oil? There has to be a right option here!

[diecast]

I've no idea what the "right" answer is but I've been using Mobil xhp 222 on Campagnolo freehubs for years and I haven't had one explode yet. I only use that because I have an enormous tub of it and it's inexpensive. It's what Hope uses in their freehubs and I believe it's also what's inside some Enduro bearings.

I'm not sure what you use matters too much but I think what's more important is cleaning and regreasing at an appropriate frequency. My experience is that the sealing isn't perfect. Regreasing is an easy enough job. How often will depend on mileage and weather conditions etc.

And yes they are great wheels. Tough and very good for tubeless. Enjoy them.

[Greny]

Yes , just received a pair of Wto 45 disc c23 , weight 1422 grams So 115 grams more then the Drive 45 that they replace but they will be so much more comfortable then the drives (carbon spokes). The Gp 5000 30mm popped to 31 mmm.

[ichobi]

Anyone can chime in with the ride feel on the Bora Ultra WTO C23? Any types is fine 45 or 60mm.

It seems surprising that it's not talked about that much. They look fantastic and while not as light as the chinese carbon spokes ilks, seem alright at 14xxg.