Continental Aero 111

[cajer]

And it's tested. Looks promising and they will be true to size on wider rims

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... l-aero-111

That's unfortuante. It measured slower than the normal 5000 and it is also thinner than the normal 5000

[harblhat]

And it's tested. Looks promising and they will be true to size on wider rims

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... l-aero-111

So that means new S TR and TT TR on horizon..

Do you have any sources, or just a guess? TL was released in 2018, S TR in 2021. So based on timing alone you may be on to something. AS and TT were released in 2023, so maybe not a revision of those?

[gurk700]

And it's tested. Looks promising and they will be true to size on wider rims

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... l-aero-111

So that means new S TR and TT TR on horizon..

Do you have any sources, or just a guess? TL was released in 2018, S TR in 2021. So based on timing alone you may be on to something. AS and TT were released in 2023, so maybe not a revision of those?

BRR made the prediction. I think he's mirroring that. I imagine it might be true as well.

Admittedly I don't know exactly how tire production works but it may have something to do with mixing compounds to get the grip / weight / RR etc you want and then producing in mass amounts. If that's the case, if there's a new compound on the AERO 111 to allow that extra grip, maybe conti is about to use it and produce more tires that originate from it.

Again totally guessing out my butt and thinking wishfully. I might be miles off.

[TobinHatesYou]

For mass start races I will take 80+ grip score on BRR's scale and a 1W deficit in Crr over high 60s/low 70s grip score and a 1W Crr advantage. Every. single. time. And I'm a breakaway specialist.

[youngs_modulus]

For mass start races I will take 80+ grip score on BRR's scale and a 1W deficit in Crr over high 60s/low 70s grip score and a 1W Crr advantage. Every. single. time. And I'm a breakaway specialist.

Absolutely—it's no contest.

[Minirac]

For mass start races I will take 80+ grip score on BRR's scale and a 1W deficit in Crr over high 60s/low 70s grip score and a 1W Crr advantage. Every. single. time. And I'm a breakaway specialist.

and so will everybody else and that is exactly what have they done. Grip on current STR/TT is so bad but you have to race descends, agressive cornering, bad weather to realize that, to average john it may seems that it is great but it is not.

[CampagYOLO]

For mass start races I will take 80+ grip score on BRR's scale and a 1W deficit in Crr over high 60s/low 70s grip score and a 1W Crr advantage. Every. single. time. And I'm a breakaway specialist.

And if this aero testing is in anyway correct, the aero benefits hugely outweigh the very slight increase in rolling resistance

https://www.bikeradar.com/news/continen ... front-tyre

[208]

For mass start races I will take 80+ grip score on BRR's scale and a 1W deficit in Crr over high 60s/low 70s grip score and a 1W Crr advantage. Every. single. time. And I'm a breakaway specialist.

and so will everybody else and that is exactly what have they done. Grip on current STR/TT is so bad but you have to race descends, agressive cornering, bad weather to realize that, to average john it may seems that it is great but it is not.

Which do you prefer for grip?

[spdntrxi]

For mass start races I will take 80+ grip score on BRR's scale and a 1W deficit in Crr over high 60s/low 70s grip score and a 1W Crr advantage. Every. single. time. And I'm a breakaway specialist.

And if this aero testing is in anyway correct, the aero benefits hugely outweigh the very slight increase in rolling resistance

https://www.bikeradar.com/news/continen ... front-tyre

I'm not at those yaws enough to notice, I would not chose aero111 from that graph alone

[208]

For anyone interested, I asked Swissside if they plan to make any 111 in wider sizing and they said nope.

[Minirac]

For mass start races I will take 80+ grip score on BRR's scale and a 1W deficit in Crr over high 60s/low 70s grip score and a 1W Crr advantage. Every. single. time. And I'm a breakaway specialist.

and so will everybody else and that is exactly what have they done. Grip on current STR/TT is so bad but you have to race descends, agressive cornering, bad weather to realize that, to average john it may seems that it is great but it is not.

Which do you prefer for grip?

Try AS TR for reference. Then when you go back to S TR you will have to recalibrate cornering. I end up with 30mm S TR and wide rims same as pogacar: https://youtu.be/Pf5BJqRUyLc?t=793
but it is still not good enough.

[BigBoyND]

Looks like the Pirelli RS would be a perfect rear tire match for a 111 front. Nearly same tread coverage, RR, and edge grip.

Also interesting to see the 111 is so undersized. Is it to satisfy ETRTO on wider rims while being small in reality to achieve better aero results? No other clincher tires are smaller than nominal on BRR, let alone by a full 1mm. It's smaller than a 28mm S TR.

[alanyu]

Looks like the Pirelli RS would be a perfect rear tire match for a 111 front. Nearly same tread coverage, RR, and edge grip.

Also interesting to see the 111 is so undersized. Is it to satisfy ETRTO on wider rims while being small in reality to achieve better aero results? No other clincher tires are smaller than nominal on BRR, let alone by a full 1mm. It's smaller than a 28mm S TR.

BRR tested on a 18.4 ID rim. 29 mm calibrated on 21 ID will naturally be slightly narrower than 28 mm on 18.4 ID when new, and I'm glad that they are true to labelling

[RDY]

For mass start races I will take 80+ grip score on BRR's scale and a 1W deficit in Crr over high 60s/low 70s grip score and a 1W Crr advantage. Every. single. time. And I'm a breakaway specialist.

and so will everybody else and that is exactly what have they done. Grip on current STR/TT is so bad but you have to race descends, agressive cornering, bad weather to realize that, to average john it may seems that it is great but it is not.

Which do you prefer for grip?

Try AS TR for reference. Then when you go back to S TR you will have to recalibrate cornering. I end up with 30mm S TR and wide rims same as pogacar: https://youtu.be/Pf5BJqRUyLc?t=793
but it is still not good enough.

I'm using an AS TR rear and S TR front. It works well.

[BigBoyND]

Looks like the Pirelli RS would be a perfect rear tire match for a 111 front. Nearly same tread coverage, RR, and edge grip.

Also interesting to see the 111 is so undersized. Is it to satisfy ETRTO on wider rims while being small in reality to achieve better aero results? No other clincher tires are smaller than nominal on BRR, let alone by a full 1mm. It's smaller than a 28mm S TR.

BRR tested on a 18.4 ID rim. 29 mm calibrated on 21 ID will naturally be slightly narrower than 28 mm on 18.4 ID when new, and I'm glad that they are true to labelling

I know about the BRR test conditions. I'm comparing it on this same standard for all other tires. NO other tire on BRR is sized even close to this way.