Skinwall Road Tubeless 28 mm

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Feddesman
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by Feddesman

I am looking for skinwall 28 mm tires for my new wheelset roval rapide clxII. Now the choice would be easy if the Schwalbe pro one and Continental GP5000s tr did not have such an ugly dark sidewall. Now schwalbe one or continental 5000 as tr is an option, but I don't want to lose too much performance. Are there any more options available with a nice skinwall?

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6fu
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by 6fu

Tubeless and tanwall doesn't really work as tanwall tyres are made with cotton casing, and cotton is not really good for tubeless as it soaks up the sealant. Some manufacturers paint the sidewalls or make them from different compound to mimic the look of a cotton casing but imo that usually looks bad and the tyre ends up performing worse and/or being heavier.

Vittoria corsa pro and veloflex corsa tlr are the two cotton tubeless options tho...

MarcFaFo
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by MarcFaFo

Tufo Comtura Prima. There is a topic about them. viewtopic.php?f=132&t=172938

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by Aeo

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BigBoyND
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by BigBoyND

I'm with you on tan sidewalls.

I agree with you on the GP5k color being bad. It's also much slower than the black version, so it's not the obvious choice anyway. The Pro One color and performance are below average, too.

Tufo Comtura Prima is great. The tan part is a bit narrower since (like the GP5k) there is a black strip also at the hooks and the tread is wide. Great grip, weight, and puncture protection.

Power Cup is my #1 based on looks. Great color and narrow tread really show a lot of tan sidewall. Smoothest rolling tire I've tried and performs just as well as GP5k. Color doesn't turn darker like the GP5k options.

Vittoria Corsa Pro is up there but haven't tried it yet.

There are other fast tires with brown sidewalls that are fast, and other tan tires which are slower. If you want tan and fast, I'd choose between the 3 above.

Feddesman
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by Feddesman

They will be the Vittoria or Michelin. The disadvantage of the Vittoria is the availability and the Michelin would not be a very good combination with wide rims.

Ytse
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by Ytse

Aeo wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:17 pm
Challenge Criterium RS almost a white sidewall
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BigBoyND
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by BigBoyND

6fu wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2024 4:29 pm
Tubeless and tanwall doesn't really work as tanwall tyres are made with cotton casing, and cotton is not really good for tubeless as it soaks up the sealant.
Why would this be the case when tubeless tires have some kind of extra sealing layer?

jlok
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by jlok

BigBoyND wrote:
Tue May 07, 2024 5:40 am
6fu wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2024 4:29 pm
Tubeless and tanwall doesn't really work as tanwall tyres are made with cotton casing, and cotton is not really good for tubeless as it soaks up the sealant.
Why would this be the case when tubeless tires have some kind of extra sealing layer?
In theory yes, but why does sealant still seep through sidewall? Obviously the so-called sealing layer is not 100%.
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Jaisen
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by Jaisen

jlok wrote:
Tue May 07, 2024 5:50 am
BigBoyND wrote:
Tue May 07, 2024 5:40 am
6fu wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2024 4:29 pm
Tubeless and tanwall doesn't really work as tanwall tyres are made with cotton casing, and cotton is not really good for tubeless as it soaks up the sealant.
Why would this be the case when tubeless tires have some kind of extra sealing layer?
In theory yes, but why does sealant still seep through sidewall? Obviously the so-called sealing layer is not 100%.
Pure tubeless tires TL were abandoned due to incompatibility issues. Overall manufacturers felt that if you will need to run sealant anyway, might as well go with the TLR tubeless ready tires that have wider compatibility and will become airtight after sealant is added/absorbed anyway. In theory a TL tire shouldn't need any sealant, but the fit was never perfect across all rims and tires and they were not designed to work with inner tubes, for example when you puncture and want to throw in a tube on the side of the road to get home. They were also a PITA to install.

jlok
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by jlok

Jaisen wrote:
Tue May 07, 2024 7:38 am
jlok wrote:
Tue May 07, 2024 5:50 am
BigBoyND wrote:
Tue May 07, 2024 5:40 am
6fu wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2024 4:29 pm
Tubeless and tanwall doesn't really work as tanwall tyres are made with cotton casing, and cotton is not really good for tubeless as it soaks up the sealant.
Why would this be the case when tubeless tires have some kind of extra sealing layer?
In theory yes, but why does sealant still seep through sidewall? Obviously the so-called sealing layer is not 100%.
Pure tubeless tires TL were abandoned due to incompatibility issues. Overall manufacturers felt that if you will need to run sealant anyway, might as well go with the TLR tubeless ready tires that have wider compatibility and will become airtight after sealant is added/absorbed anyway. In theory a TL tire shouldn't need any sealant, but the fit was never perfect across all rims and tires and they were not designed to work with inner tubes, for example when you puncture and want to throw in a tube on the side of the road to get home. They were also a PITA to install.
Ya I know TL vs TLR. I was referring to cotton tanwalled TLR tires.
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bobones
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by bobones

Neither Michelin Power Cup nor Vittoria Corsa Pro tan walls are stained by sealant: I am using Orange Seal. I've noticed some black mildew spots on the Corsa Pros after lying in my garage over the winter. but the Michelins are spotless. The cream Conti sidewall as found on the AS TR quickly darkens but I don't think this has anything to do with sealant given that they're vulcanised tyres. My general feeling is that the Michelins are a bit tougher than the Corsa Pros and the ride quality is just as good. Given that they're usually a good bit cheaper than the Vittorias, my vote goes to the Power Cups, noting that the tread is quite narrow and that they ballon up significantly over size.

BigBoyND
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by BigBoyND

I just noticed that the Power Cup was tested in tan by BRR. Given the GP5k in transparent performs much worse than black, that means the Power Cup is the fastest tan tire in the category (meaning excluding TT tires).

cleanneon98
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by cleanneon98

I am currently on the Brown GP5k and it certainly doesn't feel slow or bad, really doubt anyone would notice a difference between black and tan with the small watt difference. I do wonder WHY they are different though, have not found an answer yet.

I do have interest in trying the Corsa Pro but the Michelin 28mm seems like it may become an issue on my 23mm rim, and the minimum pressure on them is more than I run (maybe this is recommended because they have such a narrow tread and the higher pressure keeps some wear off the sidewall when cornering?).
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