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Sander7721
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by Sander7721

Ahh well there’s another story I was initially using a Ceramic Speed BB but found out that these do not work with THM, although some will probably say they do!
The CS BB is wider the THM BB, meaning when installing and preloading the engagement with the splines on the spindle do not engage as per install instructions.
THM do not test or recommended any other BB and this will not help with your warranty claim (Void) either people so bear that in mind people!
So to answer the question yes I was using the Hybrid Ceramic BB which are shite as the bearing being 30mm BB bearing don’t last as they are small so replaced the BB twice. Someone said it maybe it was the Chainrings so buggered about with them THM suggest carbon paste tried everything!
I now have a Hambini BB with NSK bearings.


Yes, on topic! I have had no issues with the wheel I actually thought the noise initially was the wheels.
I had Hyper 67d's on my SL7 and when these were released it was magpie time lol, I have found no difference in stiffness between the wheels yes, the Hypers are stiffer on paper but it not something I notice myself when riding.
The only issue I actually have with the wheels is the decal colour which could not be changed, so I have the black sticker, but they are a pain to clean with a microfibre cloth and always catch lol real world problems eh! might end up takimg them off tbh.
The last set of western branded wheels i had were rim brake NSW 404's which were noodly as f?ck!, moved over Chinese branded wheels with the 1st GEN rim brake 50mm hypers then 50mm DB hypers to Hype 67D's and now to the CRW5060S, this was from watching Joe on China Cycling. My winter Bike is a Winspace SLC HYPER 50s and 12spd Ulterga.
These Chinese branded wheels are smashing it in my opinion quality price and weight the CRW's are by far the best wheels I have had to date.
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Winspace SLC 2.0

da123
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by da123

Sander7721 wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:51 pm
Ahh well there’s another story I was initially using a Ceramic Speed BB but found out that these do not work with THM, although some will probably say they do!
The CS BB is wider the THM BB, meaning when installing and preloading the engagement with the splines on the spindle do not engage as per install instructions.
THM do not test or recommended any other BB and this will not help with your warranty claim (Void) either people so bear that in mind people!
So to answer the question yes I was using the Hybrid Ceramic BB which are shite as the bearing being 30mm BB bearing don’t last as they are small so replaced the BB twice. Someone said it maybe it was the Chainrings so buggered about with them THM suggest carbon paste tried everything!
I now have a Hambini BB with NSK bearings.


Yes, on topic! I have had no issues with the wheel I actually thought the noise initially was the wheels.
I had Hyper 67d's on my SL7 and when these were released it was magpie time lol, I have found no difference in stiffness between the wheels yes, the Hypers are stiffer on paper but it not something I notice myself when riding.
The only issue I actually have with the wheels is the decal colour which could not be changed, so I have the black sticker, but they are a pain to clean with a microfibre cloth and always catch lol real world problems eh! might end up takimg them off tbh.
The last set of western branded wheels i had were rim brake NSW 404's which were noodly as f?ck!, moved over Chinese branded wheels with the 1st GEN rim brake 50mm hypers then 50mm DB hypers to Hype 67D's and now to the CRW5060S, this was from watching Joe on China Cycling. My winter Bike is a Winspace SLC HYPER 50s and 12spd Ulterga.
These Chinese branded wheels are smashing it in my opinion quality price and weight the CRW's are by far the best wheels I have had to date.
Great to hear, thanks. I've not gone the Chinese route before, so looking forward to trying both the 4045s and the 5060s (particularly as against the Roval Rapide CLX in the case of the latter). I've not had any major issues to date with my THM cranks / BBs, but I suspect I put out a lot less power than you do!

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Sander7721
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by Sander7721

You have ordered both? I did consider it,but whats the diff 100g? could not justfy it tbh.

Im not your poster boy cyclist in terms of size lol, I do weight/strenght training and anyway I need to be able to keep up on the climbs with the 60kg club when im breathing out of my arse say on Sa Colobra! lol.
Some of the WW gear is great an although some have 100kg weight limits they still dont perform! I should have learned that by now! lol.

Well I look forwards to seeing what you have to say when you get them, and we all know majority of this stuff is made in China anyway!
SL8 Maganta 54CM 6kgs
Winspace SLC 2.0

da123
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by da123

Sander7721 wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:19 pm
You have ordered both? I did consider it,but whats the diff 100g? could not justfy it tbh.

Im not your poster boy cyclist in terms of size lol, I do weight/strenght training and anyway I need to be able to keep up on the climbs with the 60kg club when im breathing out of my arse say on Sa Colobra! lol.
Some of the WW gear is great an although some have 100kg weight limits they still dont perform! I should have learned that by now! lol.

Well I look forwards to seeing what you have to say when you get them, and we all know majority of this stuff is made in China anyway!
Yeah, ordered both. I'm in the process of selling some of my other wheels to fund the extravagance, and figuring out how I make sure my wife doesn't realise... I will update with a comparison once I eventually ride them.

Interestingly, Cadex have just released a new wheelset - the Max 40. Interesting, because the front wheel spoke count is also 16 spokes like the CRWs, down from 21 spokes in the Cadex Ultra 50. This would seem to support CRW's arguments on spoke counts for carbon rimmed, carbon spoked wheels.

Sander7721
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by Sander7721

da123 wrote:
Sander7721 wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:19 pm
You have ordered both? I did consider it,but whats the diff 100g? could not justfy it tbh.

Im not your poster boy cyclist in terms of size lol, I do weight/strenght training and anyway I need to be able to keep up on the climbs with the 60kg club when im breathing out of my arse say on Sa Colobra! lol.
Some of the WW gear is great an although some have 100kg weight limits they still dont perform! I should have learned that by now! lol.

Well I look forwards to seeing what you have to say when you get them, and we all know majority of this stuff is made in China anyway!
Yeah, ordered both. I'm in the process of selling some of my other wheels to fund the extravagance, and figuring out how I make sure my wife doesn't realise... I will update with a comparison once I eventually ride them.

Interestingly, Cadex have just released a new wheelset - the Max 40. Interesting, because the front wheel spoke count is also 16 spokes like the CRWs, down from 21 spokes in the Cadex Ultra 50. This would seem to support CRW's arguments on spoke counts for carbon rimmed, carbon spoked wheels.
lol my mrs does not even ask anymore.
Hmmm I will have a look at the Cadex.
The thing is I would love to know which Chinese manufacturers are in fact the Original OEM for the western brand I know Winspace were making wheels for Hunt but that’s about it.
Just need our bloody British weather to improve! Looks like Zwift again tomorrow!


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RDY
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by RDY

The new Cadex wheels will be a lot stiffer than the CRWs. Spokes are really wide, and if you're to trust Giant's data, then it's a lot stiffer than the LW Obermayer Evo or Synchros Capital SL (presumably shallower ones).

But hookless and 28mm external width ....

I'm sure they'll be fast at the Olympics for those riding 25s on the new Cadex road bike. But otherwise, no thanks.

toxin
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by toxin

i agree, though 24 spokes on the rear is overkill imo, could be lighter for a 40mm wheelset too

toxin
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by toxin

Sander7721 wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:57 am
The thing is I would love to know which Chinese manufacturers are in fact the Original OEM for the western brand I know Winspace were making wheels for Hunt but that’s about it.
Wouldn't be surprised if it were stren themselves, they had a very similar flange/spoke design at eurobike https://youtu.be/cbWdgWeZTZY?si=LoJQEhvFaaVfXKnE&t=706

da123
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by da123

toxin wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:10 am
i agree, though 24 spokes on the rear is overkill imo, could be lighter for a 40mm wheelset too
Agreed. The specs don't appeal, particularly when you compare them to the CS4045. The quality will no doubt be on a slightly higher level and I suppose you'll have more 'buying confidence', but heavier, unlikely to be more aero (and possibly less), and more than double the cost. Stiffer no doubt, but I'm not convinced that would necessarily be a good thing. Cadex have always emphasised the stiffness side, but reviews have suggested that is at the expense of some comfort. I've ridden both the LW Meilenstein (super stiff) and LW Meilenstein Obermayers (less stiff, but 150g lighter) for example, and the standard Meilensteins were just less pleasant to ride over long distances.

RDY
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by RDY

I'm sure they'll be more aero than the CS4045.

da123
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by da123

RDY wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:49 am
I'm sure they'll be more aero than the CS4045.
Why? The CS4045 have a deeper back wheel, 29mm external width so very similar and 21 internal so you can also run them with narrow tires if that's what you want. Same front wheel spoke count, but CS4045 have less in the rear. Cadex deeper spokes, but how much aero difference does that make? Hookless, but again ditto. I doubt if you ran them both with narrow tires there would be much difference. You might say Cadex will have better aero optimisation on the rims, but the CRW wheels have already been third party tested (Peak Torque) as being fast (that was the 5055 I think, but they are the same profile as the CS4045, just deeper).

toxin
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by toxin

Cadex hubs more aero but realistically they will be within margin of error

Sander7721
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by Sander7721

Aero Hubs!
I dont see how aero ypou can make a hub myself I thought it was more spoke rim and tyre
SL8 Maganta 54CM 6kgs
Winspace SLC 2.0

RDY
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by RDY

Hub alone won't do much, but hub-spoke interface could make a significant difference.

Sander7721
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by Sander7721

Ahh ok less spokes etc
SL8 Maganta 54CM 6kgs
Winspace SLC 2.0

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