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thedanplasse
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by thedanplasse

I understand. I feel as if I'll be spending quite a bit of money on everything else, I may as well keep going. But I do agree that cost vs gain is minimal. Definitely not where I'd start. It seems that theres a lot of work involved in changing from threaded. From what I've seen while looking today there are alot of different sizes, and measurments.

Pardon my lack of vocab.
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ultimobici wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:01 pm
thedanplasse wrote:I personally like the look of a fatter threadless fork/stem over the older style quill stem. I understand the cost vs benefit, but as long as its not detrimental I don't mind the cost to achieve the updated look. I also don't mind keeping the old fork if I can update the stem at least.
That’s not quite what I meant.

1” forks in carbon ain’t that nice to ride. The steerer diameter is designed with traditional construction methods and just substituting carbon isn’t going to yield the necessary strength without either being a boat anchor or very pricey. The only half decent 1” carbon steerer fork currently available is Columbus’s Minimal and that costs £215.


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The minimal is a wonderful fork, a friend of mine recently installed it on his master: it looks fantastic and performs very well. €200 for a fork is very good value.

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by thedanplasse

It looks really good. Although I'm unsure if it'll fit my bike. I havent measured anything on it. I am interested in it especially to get me away from quill stems.
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A Columbus Minimal fork will certainly fit, but you'll need a new headset and stem.
You can get threadless headsets for 1" steerer's quite easily, ranging from an £11 Ritchey to £130 for a nice shiny Chris King.
1" threadless* stems do exist, if you can find a Cinelli Grammo it would go rather well with the frame, but it might be easier (and probably stiffer) to use any 1 1/8th" stem and use a shim.

* not that quill stems are threaded, it's just the best way to make the distinction.

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by thedanplasse

Been doing some light reading. The colombus for will work with a 1" FSA head set I found for cheap. I saw a video where the guy had what I'd assume is the "shim" you stated to run the 1 1/8" stem off the 1" threadless fork. Thank you guys for the useful info.
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Regarding thedanplasse's Bianchi, I am completely in agreement with ultimobici and others advising to not change the original fork.

What, you spend a a lot of money to buy a new Columbus Minimal 1" fork + 1" headset + shim (OK, cheap, but still...) + stem + bars...to achieve...what, exactly?

Certainly not a better ride (especially on such a small frame), possibly a worse ride, and you throw out the beauty and elegance of the original, color-matched fork and clean quill stem? Why? It makes no sense to me, and there are plenty of other (better) places to spend that money.
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If I change forks I wouldn't be throwing out anything. I personally do not like the look of the quill type stem or how thin the original fork is. This out of the whole "build" I'm contemplating is solely aesthetic. It's something I've wanted to do since I bought the bike. I briefly considered an adapter but I like the look of a beefier fork.
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thedanplasse wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:14 pm
Although I could get Chorus if the savings are worth not getting Record.
Super Record for the win! It says “super” which is the coolest thing about it.

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I think I'm going to go with Chorus, personally.
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Before you swap out the forks, you might want to consider how you're going to get your handlebars in the same position. It's all very well jacking up a quill stem, but you'll have way too many spacers with a threadless setup. Aesthetically, unless you can slam the them (like on @Wookski's bike) I think staying with the quill stem might be the better-looking option.

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by thedanplasse

That has crosses my mind, But I wouldn't mind slamming it, or at least running a spacer. This is all hypothetical. I may not even build the bike, It's all a feeler at this point.

This frame isnt sacred for me though, it's not anything special or revolutionary. Fact of the matter is it was a cheaper craigslist purchase to get me into cycling. I like the bike but I would like it more if components were more up-to-date. I just want it to look the way I want it to look (ie" Fork, Stem, bars, and wheels) and ride the way I want it to ride (campy chorus, and wheels).

I'll start with the cheaper mods (stem, fork, and bars) first. If I don't end up liking it I can return it to the way it was before dropping the money on Chorus, and wheels.

Also not trying to argue, Just stating my points, while taking in all of the points I've recieved here (which I've taken into consideration), so I thank everyone who've chimed in thus far.
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themidge wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:49 pm
Before you swap out the forks, you might want to consider how you're going to get your handlebars in the same position. It's all very well jacking up a quill stem, but you'll have way too many spacers with a threadless setup. Aesthetically, unless you can slam the them (like on @Wookski's bike) I think staying with the quill stem might be the better-looking option.
Modern bars generally have a flat transition into the hoods unlike vintage bars which angle down toward the hoods. Coupled with the fact that many/most vintage bikes were set up for riding mostly on the drops, when converting a vintage frame to modern components you'll likely want the tops of the bars significantly lower than where they used to be. I know I did which was a big reason why I designed my own headset allowing me to get the bars nice and low, a position unattainable with a quill stem.

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by thedanplasse

In all honesty, I'd like to emulate the fork/bar setup wookski has. It looks right. Nice, and clean. That is all.
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joejack951 wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:30 pm
Modern bars generally have a flat transition into the hoods unlike vintage bars which angle down toward the hoods. Coupled with the fact that many/most vintage bikes were set up for riding mostly on the drops...
Sure, but the bars on this Bianchi are already angled such that the levers are more or less level with the tops. There are definitely going to be spacers involved with this planned threadless conversion.
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:14 pm
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I mean, tell me this frame isn't a little long and low. Look at all that seatpost and gooseneck!

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I almost want to buy the stuff just to see if it could be done using just the one spacer I think it'd need with different bars..
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