Glueing tubulars [the tubular thread]

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beanbiken
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:D :D :oops: I can't talk, whilst I don't use tape I use the other "cheating" method, water based glue.

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Calnago
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It’s ok @Kcookie, you tried. It’s not for everyone and I have to admit, I’ve been in tubular hell over the last several days as I plug away at getting a fresh start for spring, with all wheels in good shape. It’s not the gluing, it’s the glue removal that’s always hit and miss and I really like to start each glue job with a fresh clean rim bed. I had one wheel out of 5 that the glue just seemed to dissolve with one application of the Effetto Mariposa remover and was so easy. I’m trying to figure out why that one was so easy and the others not so much. The only difference was that the easy wheel had been sitting around for a long time with no tire on it, so seemed pretty dried out. Maybe the Effetto stuff disolved it easier. Anyway, I’m almost ready for the new season with all wheels a go.
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beanbiken wrote::D :D :oops: I can't talk, whilst I don't use tape I use the other "cheating" method, water based glue.

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Hey mate.
Yes that glue is a lot easier to use. I still have a spare one, should have tried that. The good thing is I actually used the wheel today. Yah. I Image

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@Calnago, looking at where you seem to be cleaning your wheel............... if I tried to do that in our lounge/living room I believe Mrs Biken would bury me alive in a African fire ants nest head down and with honey plastered over my tender bits :shock: :oops: :D
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Anyone looking for Competition Pro Limited tubs in 25 or 25 Paris Roubaix? Might have access to a few unused pairs.


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What’s this water base glue? Different from mastik? Easier to clean off?


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addictR1 wrote:
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What’s this water base glue? Different from mastik? Easier to clean off?


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Its Vittoria Mastic Pro, there's a YouTube video of a mechanic from Lotto NL Jumbo mounting a tyre. I definitely wouldn't say it's easier to clean off, quite the opposite.

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addictR1 wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:10 pm
What’s this water base glue? Different from mastik? Easier to clean off?


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As per KC, easier to use, self centering etc but a damn beast to clean off. Seems to stay tacky/greasy, yes I know it's glue :wink: Leave it on your brake tracks and you get awful pulsing...........
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Harder than regular Mastik One to get off? Sheesh... I loves me tubulars but I’ve been in tubular week hell, with cleaning off glue (mind you I like to get the rim beds looking like new with no traces of old glue left). But still... it’s the one part of riding tubulars I truly detest... cleaning off old glue. I actually kind of enjoy the gluing part and then, after it’s all done and mounted... you ride them and forget about all the pain. And I do think flatting is super easy to deal with these days too, with the advent of sealant etc. But if you do have to throw on a spare while on the road (which I can’t remember the last time I’ve had to) the process is a whole lot less messy than if you have to insert a spare inner tube into a sealant filled tubeless tire. Guy brought over his tubular to me the other day, a Conti Comp 22mm with a gash in it after hitting a nail head that he was sure would require a new tire. I put maybe 10ml of Orange Seal Regular in it and voila, sealed up instantly. I let it set up at about 60psi, then once it looked like that was holding just fine I pumped it up to around 120 for good measure. Still, the gash in the outer rubber was pretty big so I’m trying some of this stuff for the first time to see how it does to ensure the gash doesn’t get any bigger. Picked it up while I was buying some AquaSeal (different product) at a dive shop....
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That's good to know about the side wall repair Calnago. That's how all this to glue or not to glue came around as I had the same problem and thought sealant wouldn't work so changed the tyre on the side of the road.
Do you think it's worth trying sealant on this tyre.
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Hmmm, that’s s tough call. Always better to be safe than sorry, so maybe you did the right thing. I wish I had taken a pic of the situation I was dealing with before I fixed it (still needs some miles on it before I can say for sure it worked).
The last tubular I replaced on the road was because it wasn’t holding air when I tired to pump it up after adding sealant. So I just put the spare on (yes I carry a spare). I carried the old one home because I wanted to see how bad a puncture it took for the sealant not to work. I pumped it up a bit to find the hole. Nothing. Pumped it harder. Nothing. What had happened was that the sealant eventually worked, but not immediately. It was the “Endurance” formula if I recall. That’s when I fully went back to just using the “regular” version, as it definitely does seem to seal up better and faster.
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I thought the same soon as I saw the split and though there's no way I'm trying sealant on this tyre on the side if the road. I was imagining the sealant going all over me as it came squirting out the hole once pumped.
I definitely would like to try sealant just out of curiosity. Only spare wheel I have without a tyre is clincher, Would that suffice.?

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Sure, you mean just to mount it on and test to see if the sealant works? As long as you can fit the tubular over the clincher bead than give it a shot. It’s good to have a feel for how something works before you need to rely on it for realz.
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That's correct. Just to mount and see if I can seal it. The tyre has only seen a few hundred kms so would hate to throw it away. $100 wasted otherwise.

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