Glueing tubulars [the tubular thread]

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dogrange
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by dogrange

Hi all,

So I want to get some good-riding aluminum tubular wheels, want to spend as little as possible, but 2 options at $750 caught my eye. Priorities are, in descending order: stiffness/power transfer, weight, dependability, price, servicability.

1. It looks like I can get a set of HED-rimmed, white Industries-hubbed, CX-Ray-spoked wheels in 32/28 spoke count for around $750.

2. Comp. Cyclist also has on sale Ksyrium SR tubular wheels at the moment for around $750

3. I see the Neuvation tubulars are something like $375-$400.

For reference, I currently ride some Mavic SSC Ultimates, which I like a lot, especially the stiffness. I also have some Neuvation clinchers which are just fine, not great or terrible in any way, except (great) that they are affordable.

Any informed opinions on any of the above, especially in comparison to each other, whould be most appreciated!

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by jasoncd

Hi dogrange,

I have the Neuvations, and I don't think I recommend them. Well - they're super light, came in under weight for me at 1,319 grams. And the price was phenomenal, less that $400 shipped. However coming from some Zipp and Campy wheels, the hubs just suck. Spoke tension is all over the place. They roll poorly. Doing laps on a 10 mile loop that I can do nice steady high pace riding, I was slower. But if you know your way around a wheel, maybe these are easy-ish fixes. They're also 20/24, not sure if that would be stiff enough for you at whatever your weight is.

Fairwheelbikes should be able to build you a set of Kinlin rim, cx-ray spokes and white industry hubs for ~$650, just going off the sum of all the parts. HED or Ambrosio could be done if you want the higher spoke counts.

Lastly, check out Williams Cycling and Boyd Cycling, both should have an aluminum tubular option for around $500.

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by Briscoelab

The HED alloy tubular rims are excellent. Much better than the subpar (ATMO) velocity major tom. I like the wider rims, such as the HED for gluing ease.

Nemesis rims are also excellent, as are the F20 if you are a lighter rider.


That is a good price on the Mavic wheels. But, I personally don't care for the ride quality and crosswind feel of those wide spokes.

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by Wingnut

Go option 1. get the hand built HED wheels...can't stand pre-built factory wheels...
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by Geoff

If you want a hand-built wheel, you do have a lot more options. I agree with the suggestion of Ambrosio rims. I like Sapim spokes, but DT and Wheelsmith are fine, too. For hubs, I would recommend adjustable (loose) bearings (like Record or Dura-Ace).

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by fdegrove

kevosinn wrote:Hey guys im getting a light set of tubie wheels and I need some ideas for tires. Im not going to be riding them every day but maybe on the sunday rides.....Im currently looking at the velo flex extremes but is there something that I could go with thats lighter and still decently reliable? Thanks in advanced.


Given there is a tubular thread, could you please pop requests like this in here. A new thread is not required.


Mods, please, this is not "a tubular thread". It's about glueing tubulars. If you're going to stick everything with the word "tubular" in here then everyone who subscribed to the original thread is going to receive notifications about topics that are not necessarily related to the original subject and vice versa.

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by HammerTime2

fdegrove, this may have started as the "Glueing tubulars" thread, but it became a general purpose tubular thread when the thread title was long ago changed, by Frankie-B, to "Glueing tubulars [the tubular thread]". So, tough luck if you're getting notifications on non-glueing posts concerning tubulars. I would note however that since there's a "Repairing tubulars" thread, indeed it is sticky, then this thread would appear to encompass all aspects of tubulars other than repair.

Actually, it turns out that Frankie-B turned this into a general purpose tubular thread on the reqeust of a particular user.
On April 25, 2009 on p.2 of this thread, fdegrove wrote:Hi,

Instead of limiting this Sticky to just glueing tubulars I suggest we'd also include changing tubulars and taking care of tubulars in general?

How about it?

TIA, :wink:

P.S. There ought to be an incredible amount of info about this topic in the forum's archives already. It would be nice if it somehow could be tagged to this thread.
It's good to see that Frankie-B was thanked in advance for his action.

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Still, the question might get more thorough answers under a wheel building heading, I think.
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by fdegrove

Hi,

Still, the question might get more thorough answers under a wheel building heading, I think.


My point exactly.
There's a difference between how to use and chose tubular tyres and wheels/rims that happen to be of the tubular persuasion.

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by Tinea Pedis

The tubbie diehards come in here more often than the wheelbuilding thread.

Fact.

As as HT2 pointed out, this thread is not simply about gluing tubs. Rather all encompassing, short of repair.


Thanks for your understanding :beerchug:

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by fdegrove

Hi,

The tubbie diehards come in here more often than the wheelbuilding thread.

Fact.


Well, they'll now have to won't they?

Will there be a clincher thread where all the wheels and tyre related questions will be mixed as well? I don't think so.

So everything remotely related to tubular wheels and tyres alike is going to be put into a sticky thread? Really?

Sorry, but it's a ton of BS. I'll unsubscribe from this thread. Fact. :beerchug:

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by sungod

glue thread for gluing - it's a technique thread (which imho would benefit from some serious pruning)

making it the home for tubular wheel questions as well is madness

are we really going to suggest all posters asking about wheels go read 150+ pages? aside from anything else it'll make it even harder to find the pearls of glue within the fluff

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by Tinea Pedis

That's your choice. No one is 'forcing' them to come in here, they just do as it pertains to their interest. I also condense down a lot of clincher threads.


Also, given this thread is already 150+ pages.

And it being also known as the tubular thread for nearly as long.

And Frankie not having a submission from either of you two to be mod's and help keep this place clean.

Then it's going to stay the way it has.


Thanks guys.

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by fdegrove

Hi,

@Tinea Pedis: If Frankie or anyone else for that matter needs help to moderate the forum then I don't mind lending a hand.
Surely you do understand that by doing what's been done here in this thread lately is not going to make it easier for anyone, not at least for those who'll actually be doing the housekeeping later on?

No offence to you or anyone, just trying to understand what's going on so a viable sollution can be found.

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I do disagree with the moderator strategy here.

Keep all things regarding tires and attaching them to the wheels here and all things regarding wheels outside.
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