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TLN
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by TLN

Hi all.

Sold my existing wheelset, so I'm in the market for a deep-er and wider wheelset.
Previously got: CL64 Rim (21 internal, 30 external), CLX40 (16mm internal, 23 external), 3T Discus (25mm internal, 32 external). CL64 was the most fun one to ride.
Being 6"4, 95+kg I'm looking for solid and reliable wheelset first, but would like it to be lightweight as well. For that reason I'd like to have a hooked wheelset with less risk of a blow out and not pressure limitations.
It seems that "wider is faster" is getting traction and I'm totally onboard with that. So, I'm thinking of wheelsets that are 21mm+ will be the best choice.
Obviously, I will run tubeless, with 28-30c tires and expecting to get flush tire with ~32mm measured width.

I'm located in Chicago, and got no issues on 64mm wheelset, but planning to move to Bay area. Not sure about roads there, but doesn't seem to be much better.

Short List:
Bontrager RSL 31V/51/62 - 23mm wide (25 for 37v)
DT Swiss ERC 1100/1400 35/45 - 22.5 mm wide
Parcours Ronde or Strada - 22.5 mm wide
Reserve wheels 30|37, 40|44 or new 52|63 - also 22-23mm wide. 52|63 are 24-25mm wide.
Campagnolo Shamal (21mm wide) or Levante (25mm wide)

There're always some chineese wheels, and some of them look very intersting:
Elite Drive G45 - 25mm wide, 45mm deep, hooked.1300gm.
Light Bicyle WR50/WR65
FarSport Gravel X4/46
Nextie CGX/AGX - Not sure about weight.

And to make things more complicated, few outliers, with explainations.
Campagnolo Bora WTO 33 - usually well received. Not wide, or deep. Not ultra light either at 1476gm.
Nextie AGX - One of the most intersting things: 29mm wide internally, 40mm wide externally. 32mm tires becomes 35-36. My bike have clearance for 33 oficially, 32 measured had plenty of clearance. Probably a bit too wide, but it should make any road magic carpet.
Roval CL(x) 50 or 64 - Very solid wheelset, got a great time on mine. There're some wider wheels available, but would consider buying it again.

One part of me that steers me towards first group: lifetime warranty on Bontrager or Reserve wheels. I'm planning to use it for everything, and it will be a good safetynet IMHO.
Another part steers towards latest and most interesting options: Elite G45: Ultra light, with carbon spokes. Not sure what I think of carbon spokes however, but weight limit is pretty impressive.
It seems that deep wheels (RSL62, ERC 1400 45 or Strada) will be around 1500+gm. I would expect shallower wheelsets to stay under that: Reserve 40|44, Elite G45 and all the Bontragers

Any experience with wheels above? Anything that I'm missing?
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by jlok

Heavy rider, more spokes. I'd vote for WR50 with 24f/28r holes hubs like Ind9 1/1.
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by TobinHatesYou

Darkhorse option.

Ascent Polaris - 69mm depth, 23mm internal, 35mm external, hooked. Your choice of DT Swiss hubs. Fully built should be somewhere between 1550g and 1600g with DT180s.

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by TLN

jlok wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:35 am
Heavy rider, more spokes. I'd vote for WR50 with 24f/28r holes hubs like Ind9 1/1.
That's something to keep in mind, yes.
On the other hand, CL64 were 21/24 and I never had issues with that. I would be totally down with 24/24 wheels with lifetime warranty (RSL, Reserve)
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:38 am
Darkhorse option.

Ascent Polaris - 69mm depth, 23mm internal, 35mm external, hooked. Your choice of DT Swiss hubs. Fully built should be somewhere between 1550g and 1600g with DT180s.
I'll take a look tomorrow, but after first sight: 3500SGD = 2500USD for 1550GM.
Not sure if it's worth extra $1000 compared to ERC 1400 45 (1528gm, 22mm) or Reserve 40|44 (1460gm, 25mm wide)
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by CustomMetal

Strada wheels UK are about to release some very interesting, fast and light wheels.. might be worth contacting them?
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by alanyu

Wider is faster on rough/bad roads. How is the road conditions there? You need to first consider a suitable tire (real) width.

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CustomMetal wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:43 am
Strada wheels UK are about to release some very interesting, fast and light wheels.. might be worth contacting them?
oh! That's intersting.
https://www.stradawheels.co.uk/, right?
alanyu wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:17 am
Wider is faster on rough/bad roads. How is the road conditions there? You need to first consider a suitable tire (real) width.
I'm planning to follow 100%-105% rule for tire/rim combo: I'm not planning to use tires wider than rim. However I'll stick with 100%-105% rule, and wide modern rims.
Using Enve website for reference (https://www.enve.com/learn/tire-pressure/): 21ID with 28c tires needs ~76 psi, 25ID with 28c tires needs 65. Seems that if I'd like to stay under 70 psi, I'll need 23ID with 28-30c tires combo.

I've tried 25ID rims with 28c and 30c tires and it was way better than my previous wheels. I could not tell big difference between 28c and 30c, but I was running close to 68-70psi on my floor pump and was a bit hesitant to drop it lower to 65 or below.

Roads in Chicago (and I live in the city) are pretty meh. I've ridden for 20 miles around bay area.
Even if I end up with wide rim, I can always go with 28c tires and over 70 psi (hookless limit) for fine roads, or 30c tires and lower pressure for general riding.
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by CustomMetal

TLN wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:37 pm
CustomMetal wrote:
Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:43 am
Strada wheels UK are about to release some very interesting, fast and light wheels.. might be worth contacting them?
oh! That's intersting.
https://www.stradawheels.co.uk/, right?



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TLN
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by TLN

Can we all agree that overall:
Reserve 40|44, 25mm internal, @1460 with DT370
is better than:
3T Discus 45|32, 25mm internal, @1620gm
or
Zipp 303S, 23mm internal @ 1560gm

It's hard to measure "quality" of hubs, but seems that I should with either lighter wheelset out of two, or deeper/wider wheelset given the same weight
Last edited by TLN on Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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by TobinHatesYou

TLN wrote:
Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:49 pm
Can we all agree that overall:
Reserve 40|44, 25mm internal, @1460 with DT370
is better than:
3T Discus 40|23, 25mm internal, @1620gm
or
Zipp 303S, 23mm internal @ 1560gm

It's hard to measure "quality" of hubs, but seems that I should with either lighter wheelset out of two, or deeper/wider wheelset given the same weight

From what I can see, the Reserve 40|44 uses DT350, 240 or 180 hubs. I would probably get the 240s.

There also doesn’t seem to be a 3T Discus 40|23 at 1620g. There is a 45|32 at 1640g.

But yes, out of those three options, the Reserve set is the most appealing.

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by TLN

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:05 pm
From what I can see, the Reserve 40|44 uses DT350, 240 or 180 hubs. I would probably get the 240s.

There also doesn’t seem to be a 3T Discus 40|23 at 1620g. There is a 45|32 at 1640g.

But yes, out of those three options, the Reserve set is the most appealing.
Sorry, of course I meant 3T 45|32, with 25mm ID.
Reserve 40|44, even with cheaper 370 Hub comes in at 1460 and that's 160gm lighter than 3T, or ~100gm lighter than Zipp 303S, that are hookless.

I agree that 40|44 with 240 sounds like one of the best options, but I'd be happy to take one with 370 depending on the price.
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I second the notion of more spokes. I have a bunch of similar carbon clincher wheelsets that are all 24 spoke (CXray) except for one set that I went with 28 as it was for a fender bike and wasn't worried about weight. They are just so much more solid at my weight of 76kg. The difference is immediately noticeable particularely in hard cornering, rough roads, sprinting, etc. I get by just fine with 24 spokes, but 28 is a significant step up. At your weight you might want to give serious consideration to more spokes or at least stiffer spokes if you stick with 24.

If you can find something from the big brands with your preferred specs and in your budget that would be my recommendation. Failing that I'll give another vote for Light Bicycle WR50 (25mm inside, 32mm outside). I built mine with Carbon Ti hubs and have been riding them hard all season and they have been flawless. I gambled a bit with flyweight rims but no issues. 1350 grams. 28mm tires for best aerodynamics. Value for money is tough to beat.
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by TLN

Ended up ordering Reserve 40|44 with DT 350 when it was on sale (Still is).
Lifetime warranty, 25mm wide, hooked. Very similar to 3T wheels that I got, but wider (33-34mm wide externally), deeper (at least on the rear) and lighter.
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