Roval 2022

[ryanw]

Found this text on the Spesh website whilst browsing for Allez frames (now removed)...
Can't be long now, but I for one shall be sticking to the older model and continue to use it tubeless.


RAPIDE CLX II
• Rim Dimensions: 51mm deep/35mm Wide F : 60mm deep/30mm Wide R : 21mm Int F/R
• 1505grams / 1520grams with Tape and Valve
• Aero Flange Hubs with EXP Internals and Sinc Ceramic Bearings
• DT Swiss Aerolite Spokes 18F/24R
• Tubeless Ready
• 110PSI Max Tubeless with 26mm Tires
• 275lb/125kg Weight Limit
• Handbuilt


ALPINIST CLX II
• Rim Dimensions: 33mm deep/21mm Internal
• 1250grams / 1265grams with Tape and Valve
• LFD Hubs with EXP Internals and Sinc Ceramic Bearings
• DT Swiss Aerolite Spokes 21F/24R
• Tubeless Ready
• 110PSI Max Tubeless with 26mm Tires
• 275lb/125kg Weight Limit
• Handbuilt

[CustomMetal]

So same mould but heavier "?

[ryanw]

Identical rims (dimensions), spokes and hubs, so can only assume they've used a different (heavier) grade of carbon, or increased wall thickness (lower internal rim volume).

[alanyu]

Rim bead thickness has been increased.

[ccie6872]

ceramic bearings are new?? Isn't current gen steal?

[K4m1k4z3]

Identical rims (dimensions), spokes and hubs, so can only assume they've used a different (heavier) grade of carbon, or increased wall thickness (lower internal rim volume).

The weight of the Alpinist CLX remains the same. 1250 g (NEW) vs 1248 g (OLD).
Yeah, I'm sticking with my tubeless Alpinist CL as well. But it will be interesting to see what marketing BS they come up with.

[ryanw]

Identical rims (dimensions), spokes and hubs, so can only assume they've used a different (heavier) grade of carbon, or increased wall thickness (lower internal rim volume).

The weight of the Alpinist CLX remains the same. 1250 g (NEW) vs 1248 g (OLD).
Yeah, I'm sticking with my tubeless Alpinist CL as well. But it will be interesting to see what marketing BS they come up with.

I wouldn't be so sure it's comparing apples to apples with the Alpinist2.

It states LFD hub which I assume is similar to the Terra CLX AFD hub (essentially a rebranded DT180EXP with slightly different hub shell).

Goes for the Rapide2 also, Sinc ceramic bearings are akin to the DT180 hub, so an upgrade from the 240S hubs used currently.

[FlatlandClimber]

Upgraded hubs, yet the Rapide are around 100g heavier, while the Alpinsit are only marginally heavier?
Pretty upsetting.
I'll likely still get the new Rapide front wheel, since I just crushed mine, and the Rapide is the goat wheel!

New Turbo not-Cotton will be most interesting to me really!

[ccie6872]

on IG, Specialized was toughting a key date of 5.10... I suspect that is when they are doing some product launches (or re-launches).

[mschwett]

i am so torn/annoyed here; i really want to go tubeless on my 2 month old alpinist CLXs... torn between taking the risk running the current ones tubeless or wasting a ton of time/money buying the new ones and selling the old ones.

i was hoping they'd just be the exact same rim but with a new set of recommended/certified tubeless tires. the weight differences seem to say no.

[pmprego]

Upgraded hubs, yet the Rapide are around 100g heavier, while the Alpinsit are only marginally heavier?
Pretty upsetting.
I'll likely still get the new Rapide front wheel, since I just crushed mine, and the Rapide is the goat wheel!

New Turbo not-Cotton will be most interesting to me really!

Didn't the rear rapide get more spokes? I was under the impression that moved from 21 to 24 spokes. Besides, more rim to be reinforced when compared to the alpinist. I guess they went over the same exact process/problem Hunt went when their initially launched their 34-35mm wide wheels.

[ryanw]

Nope. Always been 24H rear.

[cajer]

So it seems like just a switch to tubeless and no rim shape changes?

[TobinHatesYou]

So it seems like just a switch to tubeless and no rim shape changes?

The problem with the old versions was that the carbon was compressing from tight tubeless beads, especially after inflation. They reinforced the rim bed on the Alpinist CLX and may have gotten rid of the hollow bead hook design of the Rapide CLX front rim.

[ryanw]

Who says it was a problem? I know of zero wheels with spoke tension shift from running tubeless setups.

And the Rapide II rims are identical to the first gen, in section anyway.