Never had carbon rims. Squealing with rim brakes?

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bilwit
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In general I find they make an audible "hmmmm" sound with normal braking. I've only heard "squeeling" with pads that I've sanded with too low of a grit or very, very hard braking (ie. having to come to a complete stop at the bottom of a long/steep descent).

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Rossin67
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Okay, I'm back to looking at carbon wheels and didn't want to start another thread.

I've come across the Pacenti Carbon 45 Tubular Rim on sale for $600 with a 25mm external. I've always ran 23mm tires on narrower rims. Everything is so dang wide today.

Would a 26mm tire work? I assume it would be fine but .5 on each side doesn't seem to be much and my bike can't clear a 28, it would rub the top inside of the fork. And are Pacenti hubs pretty reliable?

And any pad recommendations? I have 6700 calipers. Sorry for all the questions, I may order them today.

https://pacenticycledesign.com/collecti ... -wheel-set

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Rossin67 wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:57 am
Okay, I'm back to looking at carbon wheels and didn't want to start another thread.

I've come across the Pacenti Carbon 45 Tubular Rim on sale for $600 with a 25mm external. I've always ran 23mm tires on narrower rims. Everything is so dang wide today.

Would a 26mm tire work? I assume it would be fine but .5 on each side doesn't seem to be much and my bike can't clear a 28, it would rub the top inside of the fork. And are Pacenti hubs pretty reliable?

And any pad recommendations? I have 6700 calipers. Sorry for all the questions, I may order them today.

https://pacenticycledesign.com/collecti ... -wheel-set
A 26mm is fine, it might be a little wide with regards to aero optimization (if you care about that) but it will also depend on the tub itself, it could measure a touch smaller when installed ie. my Veloflex Arenbergs (25mm) measure 24.5mm on 25mm wide rims.

The Pacenti hubs are rebranded Bitex hubs. I don't have any experience with them but if you do a search on here for that brand they seem to have a decent reputation.

For pads the consensus seems to be:
  1. Red Campagnolo - might pricey and/or hard to find depending on your location (I could be wrong but I'm not sure if they're even still actively being produced which would make them more expensive/rare/scarce as time goes on). I reserve these for special occasion.
  2. SwissStop Black Prince - Seems to be love or hate. They're a hardy pad that wear fast but in my experience, if there's hard braking involved I completely trust them. I've also notice that braking is definitely degraded when they become shiny/glazed overr, so I sand them down with high grit to restore them every so often which may be annoying to maintain. Also known to be a bit more audible than others. These are my preference for every day riding.
  3. Blue "Reynolds" (or generic clones of it) - These are the go-to because they're cheap and get the job done if you live in a pretty flat area. IME they are poor for hard braking so I stopped using them.

Rossin67
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by Rossin67

bilwit wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:35 pm
Rossin67 wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:57 am
Okay, I'm back to looking at carbon wheels and didn't want to start another thread.

I've come across the Pacenti Carbon 45 Tubular Rim on sale for $600 with a 25mm external. I've always ran 23mm tires on narrower rims. Everything is so dang wide today.

Would a 26mm tire work? I assume it would be fine but .5 on each side doesn't seem to be much and my bike can't clear a 28, it would rub the top inside of the fork. And are Pacenti hubs pretty reliable?

And any pad recommendations? I have 6700 calipers. Sorry for all the questions, I may order them today.

https://pacenticycledesign.com/collecti ... -wheel-set
A 26mm is fine, it might be a little wide with regards to aero optimization (if you care about that) but it will also depend on the tub itself, it could measure a touch smaller when installed ie. my Veloflex Arenbergs (25mm) measure 24.5mm on 25mm wide rims.

The Pacenti hubs are rebranded Bitex hubs. I don't have any experience with them but if you do a search on here for that brand they seem to have a decent reputation.

For pads the consensus seems to be:
  1. Red Campagnolo - might pricey and/or hard to find depending on your location (I could be wrong but I'm not sure if they're even still actively being produced which would make them more expensive/rare/scarce as time goes on). I reserve these for special occasion.
  2. SwissStop Black Prince - Seems to be love or hate. They're a hardy pad that wear fast but in my experience, if there's hard braking involved I completely trust them. I've also notice that braking is definitely degraded when they become shiny/glazed overr, so I sand them down with high grit to restore them every so often which may be annoying to maintain. Also known to be a bit more audible than others. These are my preference for every day riding.
  3. Blue "Reynolds" (or generic clones of it) - These are the go-to because they're cheap and get the job done if you live in a pretty flat area. IME they are poor for hard braking so I stopped using them.
Thanks. I was looking at having Pro Wheel Builder do me a custom set for another bike and I was going to go with the Bitex hubs. I did my research on them and they appear to be fine.

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Miller
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Bit of carbon brake squealing isn't so bad, it's the price of riding fast wheels, plus you can give pedestrians fair warning you're approaching :-)

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