Winspace Hyper

[Mcdeez]

Update after about 500 kms

After a 120km ride started to have a ticking noise comming from the hub at almost every pedal stroke.

Inspected, opened the hub(really simple and easy) there was a little bit of dirt where the paws engage,theres almost no grease or lub in the area,cleaned it and put a little grease(water resistant), and added alittle grease in the bearings too,no more noise.

The seals on the hubs are not protecting well from dirt or water i guess,i would suggest to put some water resistant/bearing grease where the hub is sealing to have more protection from water/dirt.

Other than that, awesome wheels

[F45]

These guys could own the high performance xc category if they put some work into their mtb design. They should have a 28/28 wheelset that is 1100 grams, 25mm width. I'll be watching.

[emotive]

It would be cool to know more about which parts of the bike are giving you "comfort". Peak torque did a little video on seat stays recently. How those most likely hardly matter at all. My guess tires would be a huge % of the vertical compliance.

On the Marginal Gains podcast they said tyres give 10x the compliance of the frame, and the frame gives 10x the compliance of the wheels.

With modern disc frames having clearance for 32mm tyres we can very cheaply and quickly adjust the bike compliance to suit the event just by changing to a larger or smaller pair of tyres.

[ongbenghui]

Below is the disassembly for the Winspace Rear Hub that comes with my Hyper 38 Disc.
It consists of 2 x 6903 bearings, and 2 x 6803 bearing.
Freehub is a 6 pawls design and decently loud.
While the bearing is hybrid ceramics, I chose to replace it with standard industrial NTN/NSK non-contact seal bearing.
ie...
NSK 6903VV
NSK 6803VV
NTN 6903LLB
NTN 6803LLB
Hope this can be useful.

[alcatraz]

Looks nice. 6903 on the left side is overkill. You will never have to change it unless the seal is broken.

The seal around the freehub looks like it's lacking. How dirty is the freehub mechanism when you open it up?

[ongbenghui]

Looks nice. 6903 on the left side is overkill. You will never have to change it unless the seal is broken.

The seal around the freehub looks like it's lacking. How dirty is the freehub mechanism when you open it up?

I was looking at replacing the inner bearings (right side for the hub) (left side of the freehub) with metal shield but drop the idea.

The rubber seal for the freehub is on the hub body. I didn't show it in the picture. I think the seal is reasonable.
I don't find the freehub mechanism dirty, however, I have the habit of putting some grease on the freehub seal to keep the dirt and water out.

[jzinckgra]

Pretty disappointed. Not sure I got a defective wheel but when installing my clincher tire on rear wheel and using plastic tire lever, I heard an odd noise, like crunching. I pulled the lever out and noticed the carbon fiber delaminated where the lever was. The tires I was putting on were a bit difficult, but not more than others I've dealt with. The area is small but wondering if it will spread to the brake track area.



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[HenryH]

Oh man. That is a bummer. I have no idea how much it should be able to take, but hopefully that isn´t suppose to happen and that you will get a new one.

[HenryH]

It would be cool to know more about which parts of the bike are giving you "comfort". Peak torque did a little video on seat stays recently. How those most likely hardly matter at all. My guess tires would be a huge % of the vertical compliance.

On the Marginal Gains podcast they said tyres give 10x the compliance of the frame, and the frame gives 10x the compliance of the wheels.

With modern disc frames having clearance for 32mm tyres we can very cheaply and quickly adjust the bike compliance to suit the event just by changing to a larger or smaller pair of tyres.

Thanks. Interesting. Not that I would ever ride a disc bike

Fits well with my personal experience. I got two road bikes - and in terms of vertical compliance I doubt I would be able to tell the difference if I did a "blind test" - one feels maybe a tad stiffer, but I wonder if that is more down to the sound is different if I hit something, ride over a bump in the road etc. - even if the bikes are quite different. I run 25mm clinchers with latex tubes on both of them for 99% of the time.

Looking forward to getting the new Hyper wheels. Will see if I´m still of the same opinion. Will go tubeless on those though - so that might make them feel slightly different. Not sure. Going from butyl to latex felt like it was different, but hard to say again if I would have noticed in a blind test.

[Neocat]

Looks nice. 6903 on the left side is overkill. You will never have to change it unless the seal is broken.

The seal around the freehub looks like it's lacking. How dirty is the freehub mechanism when you open it up?

I was looking at replacing the inner bearings (right side for the hub) (left side of the freehub) with metal shield but drop the idea.

The rubber seal for the freehub is on the hub body. I didn't show it in the picture. I think the seal is reasonable.
I don't find the freehub mechanism dirty, however, I have the habit of putting some grease on the freehub seal to keep the dirt and water out.

Would you recommend adding grease to mint Hypers? Aren't they made to withstand less than clement weather out of the box?

Reading @Mcdeez post above made me concerned over wet weather durability of these wheels.

[jzinckgra]

Pretty disappointed. Not sure I got a defective wheel but when installing my clincher tire on rear wheel and using plastic tire lever, I heard an odd noise, like crunching. I pulled the lever out and noticed the carbon fiber delaminated where the lever was. The tires I was putting on were a bit difficult, but not more than others I've dealt with. The area is small but wondering if it will spread to the brake track area.



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Next disappointment. Rear wheel is very tight and does not spin with skewer. Only way is make skewer very loose. Someone else mentioned this here. At this rate, I may just ask for a refund. Don't want to deal with this.

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[ongbenghui]

I was looking at replacing the inner bearings (right side for the hub) (left side of the freehub) with metal shield but drop the idea.

The rubber seal for the freehub is on the hub body. I didn't show it in the picture. I think the seal is reasonable.
I don't find the freehub mechanism dirty, however, I have the habit of putting some grease on the freehub seal to keep the dirt and water out.

Would you recommend adding grease to mint Hypers? Aren't they made to withstand less than clement weather out of the box?

Reading @Mcdeez post above made me concerned over wet weather durability of these wheels.

I kinds of a rainy season now, and already went thru 2 sets of rain. I wouldn't worry about wet weather durability.
However, I will also suggest regular servicing as well.

[Mcdeez]

Pretty disappointed. Not sure I got a defective wheel but when installing my clincher tire on rear wheel and using plastic tire lever, I heard an odd noise, like crunching. I pulled the lever out and noticed the carbon fiber delaminated where the lever was. The tires I was putting on were a bit difficult, but not more than others I've dealt with. The area is small but wondering if it will spread to the brake track area.



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Never pry on a carbon wheel with the leveler when installing the tire!

[jzinckgra]

Pretty disappointed. Not sure I got a defective wheel but when installing my clincher tire on rear wheel and using plastic tire lever, I heard an odd noise, like crunching. I pulled the lever out and noticed the carbon fiber delaminated where the lever was. The tires I was putting on were a bit difficult, but not more than others I've dealt with. The area is small but wondering if it will spread to the brake track area.



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Never pry on a carbon wheel with the leveler when installing the tire!

Well how else would you get it on. I'm pretty strong and forearms and thumbs are not enough sometimes. Levers are necessary

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[Mcdeez]

Pretty disappointed. Not sure I got a defective wheel but when installing my clincher tire on rear wheel and using plastic tire lever, I heard an odd noise, like crunching. I pulled the lever out and noticed the carbon fiber delaminated where the lever was. The tires I was putting on were a bit difficult, but not more than others I've dealt with. The area is small but wondering if it will spread to the brake track area.



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Never pry on a carbon wheel with the leveler when installing the tire!

Well how else would you get it on. I'm pretty strong and forearms and thumbs are not enough sometimes. Levers are necessary

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Any rim could crack that way