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FlatlandClimber
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by FlatlandClimber

I used to live in The Bay Area for a few months in 2017. although it was the opposite end of the bay (Berkley) and roads are seriously not great.
I think it's fair to say that experiences are very different.
I would never again build an MTB, Gravel or even Touring bike up, that wasn't tubeless, but so far, road and TT didn't work for me.
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RideRunSwim
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by RideRunSwim

FlatlandClimber wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 3:44 pm
RideRunSwim wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 2:50 pm
FlatlandClimber wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 2:31 pm
Although I still don't see them work for road, they are definitely very light.
I use them for road, they add a ton of cushion if inflated to the recommended PSI per weight, especially on imperfect roads. I think they are a great choice for anyone that rides 28s or wider.

- pressure is limited to 72psi (I am running 75/78psi on my 30c at sub 80kg system weight)
- tire choice is limited (my favorite road tires, GP5000 and Turbo Cotton, and my favorite winter tires, Cinturato, are all incompatible)
So for the Zipp 303 FC, which I agree is probably very similiar to the 4.5 AR, the recommended presure for someone weighing 80 kg and running 30s is 53/56 front/rear. At the pressures your running they will probably feel firmer than a road a tire, and eliminate the benefits of running this type of the and system. I find over inflating by just a few PSI significantly firms up the ride.

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by FlatlandClimber

The system is 80kg, not me. But I have found high 70s to work very well for that... probably a little high, but I have had issues with lower pressure on pure road slicks.
Cervelo P5 Disc (2021) 9.1kg
Factor Ostro Gravel (2023) 8.0kg
S-Works SL8 (2023) 6.3kg

*weights are race ready, size 58/L.
Sold: Venge, S5 Disc, Roubaix Team, Open WI.DE, Émonda, Shiv TT, Crux, Aethos, SL7

justonwo
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by justonwo

I swapped over from a set of Enve 3.4 to the 353 NSW today. I have generally avoided 28 mm tires because they feel a bit sluggish to me. I had them on my Roubaix for a couple of years with 303 NSW. They were fine, but I prefer running 25 mm tires on my Enves.

The 353s feel really plush with the 28 mm Vittoria Corsa Controls. Both the wheels and the tires are new to me. I've only had one ride on them but my initial impression was that they feel sluggish compared to the Enve setup with 25 mm Schwalbe Pro One. It could be entirely psychological, I suppose. My times on my normal routes were not siginificantly different than with the Enve wheels. The speeds were almost identical, which doesn't come as a huge surprise to me. The difference between the wheelsets is likely to be pretty marginal, but for the 200 gram weight difference and plusher ride quality. I'll report back as I get more miles on them.
2020 Pinarello Dogma F12 AXS Red (Enve SES 3.4 Disc, Zipp 353)
2021 S-Works Aethos Di2 9200 (Alpinist CLX II)
2006 Cervelo Soloist
2021 S-Works Epic

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2020 S-Works Roubaix
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by pmprego

justonwo wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:49 am
I swapped over from a set of Enve 3.4 to the 353 NSW today. I have generally avoided 28 mm tires because they feel a bit sluggish to me. I had them on my Roubaix for a couple of years with 303 NSW. They were fine, but I prefer running 25 mm tires on my Enves.

The 353s feel really plush with the 28 mm Vittoria Corsa Controls. Both the wheels and the tires are new to me. I've only had one ride on them but my initial impression was that they feel sluggish compared to the Enve setup with 25 mm Schwalbe Pro One. It could be entirely psychological, I suppose. My times on my normal routes were not siginificantly different than with the Enve wheels. The speeds were almost identical, which doesn't come as a huge surprise to me. The difference between the wheelsets is likely to be pretty marginal, but for the 200 gram weight difference and plusher ride quality. I'll report back as I get more miles on them.
How much do these 28 tires measure when inflated on the 25mm internal? Thanks!

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by ryanw

30.1mm Veloflex Corsa Evo 28c on Zipp 353.
SL8 S-Works Project Black - 6.29kg
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by pmprego

ryanw wrote:
Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:13 pm
30.1mm Veloflex Corsa Evo 28c on Zipp 353.
Ok, thanks! Basically zipp claims stand correct: a 28c tire makes a straight profile with the rim.

While we are at it... you being a true fan of the rapide, have you tried these one? Even if just to see how they spin? Any feedback (especially relative to the rapide)?? I'm struggling in choosing a set of wheels to go for... many many options nowadays!

(and I know you use the roval tubeless but i'm still waiting for them to "update their policy" regarding tubeless)

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by ryanw

The 353's are really stunning but cost nearly double the Rapides...

I've setup over 30 pairs of the "non tubeless" Rovals tubeless and not had a single issue. They're a MUCH better tubeless wheelset than the previous CLX 32/50/64 which were certified tubeless.
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by pmprego

ryanw wrote:
Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:21 pm
The 353's are really stunning but cost nearly double the Rapides...

I've setup over 30 pairs of the "non tubeless" Rovals tubeless and not had a single issue. They're a MUCH better tubeless wheelset than the previous CLX 32/50/64 which were certified tubeless.
Oh.. The 353 are completely off the table. I was thinking about the 303 FC which are the same design (cheaper but heavier and hub is obviously not the same also).

I have no questions that the rapide are extremely good being tubeless. But one of the benefits from some major brands is the lifetime warranty. For that I have to obey their rules and for now their rules say "no tubeless". Also because of that I've been waiting for some new wheels from roval. I know they have the terra which are awesome but I was expecting something tubeless specifically for road (wide as the terra but deeper)

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by TobinHatesYou

Well Zipp is launching a new wheelset soon that will apparently be >400g lighter than the one it replaces. I’m taking this to mean a ~1400g 454 NSW Disc (hookless 25mm, 58/53mm whalefin profile)

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by justonwo

pmprego wrote:
Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:20 pm
justonwo wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:49 am
I swapped over from a set of Enve 3.4 to the 353 NSW today. I have generally avoided 28 mm tires because they feel a bit sluggish to me. I had them on my Roubaix for a couple of years with 303 NSW. They were fine, but I prefer running 25 mm tires on my Enves.

The 353s feel really plush with the 28 mm Vittoria Corsa Controls. Both the wheels and the tires are new to me. I've only had one ride on them but my initial impression was that they feel sluggish compared to the Enve setup with 25 mm Schwalbe Pro One. It could be entirely psychological, I suppose. My times on my normal routes were not siginificantly different than with the Enve wheels. The speeds were almost identical, which doesn't come as a huge surprise to me. The difference between the wheelsets is likely to be pretty marginal, but for the 200 gram weight difference and plusher ride quality. I'll report back as I get more miles on them.
How much do these 28 tires measure when inflated on the 25mm internal? Thanks!
I'm at about 30.5 mm with Vittoria Corsa Control.
2020 Pinarello Dogma F12 AXS Red (Enve SES 3.4 Disc, Zipp 353)
2021 S-Works Aethos Di2 9200 (Alpinist CLX II)
2006 Cervelo Soloist
2021 S-Works Epic

Retired: 2014 S-Works Roubaix
2020 S-Works Roubaix
2020 Canyon Ultimate
2018 S-Works Camber

pmprego
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by pmprego

justonwo wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:46 am
pmprego wrote:
Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:20 pm
justonwo wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:49 am
I swapped over from a set of Enve 3.4 to the 353 NSW today. I have generally avoided 28 mm tires because they feel a bit sluggish to me. I had them on my Roubaix for a couple of years with 303 NSW. They were fine, but I prefer running 25 mm tires on my Enves.

The 353s feel really plush with the 28 mm Vittoria Corsa Controls. Both the wheels and the tires are new to me. I've only had one ride on them but my initial impression was that they feel sluggish compared to the Enve setup with 25 mm Schwalbe Pro One. It could be entirely psychological, I suppose. My times on my normal routes were not siginificantly different than with the Enve wheels. The speeds were almost identical, which doesn't come as a huge surprise to me. The difference between the wheelsets is likely to be pretty marginal, but for the 200 gram weight difference and plusher ride quality. I'll report back as I get more miles on them.
How much do these 28 tires measure when inflated on the 25mm internal? Thanks!
I'm at about 30.5 mm with Vittoria Corsa Control.
Slightly larger than ryanw.

Enve also went for the 25mm internal some time ago but they opted for a 32mm external to assure the tire was within the rim. It's weird from zipp

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by TobinHatesYou

pmprego wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:58 am

Slightly larger than ryanw.

Enve also went for the 25mm internal some time ago but they opted for a 32mm external to assure the tire was within the rim. It's weird from zipp

The 3.4 AR is 32mm, but the 4.5 AR is 31mm front, 30.5mm rear.

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by pmprego

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:28 am
pmprego wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:58 am

Slightly larger than ryanw.

Enve also went for the 25mm internal some time ago but they opted for a 32mm external to assure the tire was within the rim. It's weird from zipp

The 3.4 AR is 32mm, but the 4.5 AR is 31mm front, 30.5mm rear.
Nicely pointed.

The parcour strade wheels are so very close to the 4.5 AR in terms of width, profile and depth. They were very high on my shortlist but I'd upgrade the hub to a dtswiss instead. Damn brexit!!

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by kervelo

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:09 pm
Well Zipp is launching a new wheelset soon that will apparently be >400g lighter than the one it replaces. I’m taking this to mean a ~1400g 454 NSW Disc (hookless 25mm, 58/53mm whalefin profile)
I wonder if this is the new wheelset on Alexis Ryans bike:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQRs0FvBgm9

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