Best value for money: Enve 5.6 DT Swiss vs. Chris King vs. Zipp 404 NSW

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captainolek
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by captainolek

Hi everyone,

Reaching out to you guys for some advice for my next upgrade (and it is a major one, so I'd like to be fully confident I'm making the right choice). I'm considering the second-hand wheelsets below:

- Enve 5.6 Disc (DT Swiss): used, 1650€
- Enve 5.6 Disc (Chris King), almost new, 2000€
- Zipp 404 NSW Disc: almost new, 2000€

For more context, I'm 182cm (6 feet) and 66kg (145lbs). I want to ride them with 25mm tubeless tyres (most likely GP5000, though I'm also considering the Schwalbe) on my road bike but also my tt bike.

Which wheelset would you go for and why?

Thanks a lot!! :)

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by TobinHatesYou

If you want an ENVE wheelset you may as well buy it new so you can get the lifetime no-questions damage replacement policy. It’s only good for the original owners.

captainolek
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by captainolek

Ok - good point I haven’t thought of. If I’m not mistaken, that actually applies to the 404s as well...

My budget corresponds more to second-hand pairs though so still happy to get your opinions on the above listings

Thanks :-)

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by TobinHatesYou

captainolek wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:53 am
Ok - good point I haven’t thought of. If I’m not mistaken, that actually applies to the 404s as well...

Zipp’s warranty is far more restrictive. In the US, it is 2-years and only covers defects, not at-fault damage. I would probably go with either of the ENVEs...you should still be eligible for the 5-year warranty for non-original owners. CK disc rear hubs are quite heavy compared to DT240s. The ENVEs are much wider externally and should mate well with 25mm GP5Ks.

captainolek
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by captainolek

Got it - very very helpful. In terms of quality, how do the DT240 hubs compare to the CK? I would save weight with both compared to my current wheelset so I'm happy to consider the best in terms of performance and durablity...

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by Imaking20

I actually prefer DT hubs over CK - having owned several sets of both (well, a lot of DT). DT hubs are lighter, super easy to service, less expensive, and they just work.

I'm actually riding 5.6 disc with DT Swiss (and 25mm Schwalbe) right now!

I'd pass on the Zipps fo basically being the opposite of every benefit I just mentioned. Ha.
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by captainolek

Imaking20 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:07 pm
I actually prefer DT hubs over CK - having owned several sets of both (well, a lot of DT). DT hubs are lighter, super easy to service, less expensive, and they just work.

I'm actually riding 5.6 disc with DT Swiss (and 25mm Schwalbe) right now!

I'd pass on the Zipps fo basically being the opposite of every benefit I just mentioned. Ha.
Thanks, very helpful input! You’d pass on the Zipps or the CK hubs? Also how do the 5.6 climb? Any specific gradient/length of climb where they are clearly out of their confort zone?

I’m actually leaning towards the set with CK hubs as it has not been registered (new wheelset) and I would therefore benefit from the lifetime...

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by Imaking20

I'd pass on Zipps and CK hubs. I've actually had a set of Enve 4.5 on DT and a set on CK hubs - and the latter felt even more lethargic. I also don't keep any wheels long enough to care about a "lifetime" warranty.

Not a lot of climbing in my new neck of the woods - I almost certainly would not have bought Enve if there was. I do not find them to generally be a very responsive wheel - and definitely wouldn't look to any 1500g+ wheels if you prioritize response wheels for steeper pitches. They've done fine for me on 6% steady climbs and 9-10% pitches (enough for some KOMs on them), but you definitely ride them differently.

And to be fair, I'd actually say the 5.6 may be my favorite set of Enves so far (having owned 6.7, some classic 25s, 2 sets of 3.4 and 2 sets of 4.5). They're the least underwhelming (I'm critical) ride and from a functional tubeless perspective they're great. Not a nightmare to get tires on and they seal up great.
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by BdaGhisallo

DT hubs just work. They aren't sexy but they work and work well. King R45 hubs are nice too but they do require a little more work to maintain and the driveshell seems a bit softer, leading to cog indents a little sooner than with the DT.

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DT hubs are no brainer... relatively light.. easy to work on.. switching freehubs is cheap compared to CK and I9 etc...

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spdntrxi wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:45 pm
DT hubs are no brainer... relatively light.. easy to work on.. switching freehubs is cheap compared to CK and I9 etc...

I’m trying I9 hubs on my new wheelset and disassembly seems a bit complicated compared to White Industries hubs. Moving forward, I’ll probably stick to WI or DT Swiss for near future wheel builds.

Whites are just an axle with an integral endcap on one end, a collet/endcap on the other (preloaded with finger strength and held in place by 3 grubs.) The pawl springs are also simple leaf springs instead of delicate coils like on the I9 Torch Classics. Plus the titanium freehub body is nice...

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by captainolek

Imaking20 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:42 pm
I'd pass on Zipps and CK hubs. I've actually had a set of Enve 4.5 on DT and a set on CK hubs - and the latter felt even more lethargic. I also don't keep any wheels long enough to care about a "lifetime" warranty.

Not a lot of climbing in my new neck of the woods - I almost certainly would not have bought Enve if there was. I do not find them to generally be a very responsive wheel - and definitely wouldn't look to any 1500g+ wheels if you prioritize response wheels for steeper pitches. They've done fine for me on 6% steady climbs and 9-10% pitches (enough for some KOMs on them), but you definitely ride them differently.

And to be fair, I'd actually say the 5.6 may be my favorite set of Enves so far (having owned 6.7, some classic 25s, 2 sets of 3.4 and 2 sets of 4.5). They're the least underwhelming (I'm critical) ride and from a functional tubeless perspective they're great. Not a nightmare to get tires on and they seal up great.
Ok thanks - definitely not buying them for climbing but still good to know they do fine. What tubeless tires have you tried on them so far? And what works best from your perspective?

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by captainolek

Might be the dumbest question of the day but I haven’t figured out an answer to that:

The ENVE wheels come with 9/135 and 9/100 QR axles, whereas my Canyon bike came with 12/100 and 12/142 thru-axles. Is there a the trick to make this happen? Or can I simply forget the ENVE wheels?

Thanks a lot guys

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by TobinHatesYou

captainolek wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:49 am
Might be the dumbest question of the day but I haven’t figured out an answer to that:

The ENVE wheels come with 9/135 and 9/100 QR axles, whereas my Canyon bike came with 12/100 and 12/142 thru-axles. Is there a the trick to make this happen? Or can I simply forget the ENVE wheels?

Thanks a lot guys

You can buy appropriate endcaps or conversion kits to make them TA compatible.

captainolek
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by captainolek

Great thanks! Any specific recommendation? I guess both CK and DT offer these parts but maybe some other brands have lighter equivalents?

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