Enve 5.6s or Zipp 303/404 NSW?

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flowerbomber
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by flowerbomber

Deciding between these wheelsets and I’m wondering if anyone could give their experiences on thoughts on these wheelsets and I was wondering if it’s a good idea to buy the 303s upfront and the 404s for the rears to mimic the staggered setup of the Enves. Any help would be appreciated! :beerchug:

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TobinHatesYou
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by TobinHatesYou

5.6s are 54/63mm
303s are 45mm and 404s are 58mm

I wouldn't bother with staggering the Zipp setup unless you want to go slower.

Kazyole
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by Kazyole

I had rim brake 303 NSWs. No complaints at all about them. Rode them regularly for a year and a half before moving to Rovals for the weight savings. I will say I was very impressed with the braking performance of the 303s. That showstopper brake track surface really works well. Mine were 1477g for the pair. They behave very nicely in the wind as well. I'm a small guy (~58kg) and didn't have any problems with getting blown around on them.

As for the staggering...I mean if you like the look and want to do it, go for it. But the front wheel is the most aerodynamically significant so at that point I'd probably just go full 404.

flowerbomber
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by flowerbomber

Kazyole wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:25 pm
I had rim brake 303 NSWs. No complaints at all about them. Rode them regularly for a year and a half before moving to Rovals for the weight savings. I will say I was very impressed with the braking performance of the 303s. That showstopper brake track surface really works well. Mine were 1477g for the pair. They behave very nicely in the wind as well. I'm a small guy (~58kg) and didn't have any problems with getting blown around on them.

As for the staggering...I mean if you like the look and want to do it, go for it. But the front wheel is the most aerodynamically significant so at that point I'd probably just go full 404.
How are the cognition hubs?

TobinHatesYou
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by TobinHatesYou

flowerbomber wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:58 pm

How are the cognition hubs?
They are very uh “sticky” for like the first couple thousand miles. The freehub driver is draggy if you just spin them in a stand. If I just rolled my bike while walking around, the crankset would spin. Doesn’t happen after the cognition grease gets a chance to warm up.

The freehub mechanism sounds awful just spinning it in a stand but is almost inaudible when riding. I doubt any of this important from a performance standpoint.

TimF
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by TimF

Are you buying new? Second hand 303 NSW's can be picked up at very good rates (in the UK). The Enve set would be considerably more expensive. There really is nothing lacking in the 303's, they do everything well. If you have little frame clearance the 19mm internal width helps. If you are riding mainly on the flat at high speed 404 is more suitable, if you are alround riding then 303. I wouldn't stagger.

I have the 303 NSW's and cannot fault them. I second the braking performance previously mentioned.

Kazyole
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by Kazyole

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:43 pm
flowerbomber wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:58 pm

How are the cognition hubs?
They are very uh “sticky” for like the first couple thousand miles. The freehub driver is draggy if you just spin them in a stand. If I just rolled my bike while walking around, the crankset would spin. Doesn’t happen after the cognition grease gets a chance to warm up.

The freehub mechanism sounds awful just spinning it in a stand but is almost inaudible when riding. I doubt any of this important from a performance standpoint.
I got them secondhand so I didn't really experience much of that break-in period. But I can confirm the freehub mechanism. Fortunately as you said, it's pretty quiet when you're actually riding

akaspin
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by akaspin

Do anybody have experience with ENVE 4.5 and open tubulars? It's related to "tiregate" and ENVE's bulletin. As I see on enve site 4.5 rims is significantly differs from others (3.4, 5.6).

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