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talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:13 am
by Catagory6
i currently run a set of HED Belgium C2
is there a major difference going to the 202?

i'm VERY hesitant to go deeper rim section, for a VERY stupid reason... a very VERY stupid reason... i don't want to draw attention to my wheels.
i do rolling hills in New England. often times with steep sections, especially if i go up to vermont.

i weigh 163 in underpants, on an empty stomach, at the height of the season. then i get fat again.

the 202s WOULDN'T be for every-day riding. just for special occasions.

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:52 am
by Multebear
202 def. don’t draw attention. Saw a club mate ride a set couple days ago. Had to look really hard to figure out, what kind of wheels they were. It was first upon stopping at a red light, I managed to see, they were Zipps.

If you agree with the pricetag, then just pull the trigger. Otherwise take a look at some of the chinese carbon offerings at 25 % the price of Zipps. They draw even less attention.

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:52 am
by Weenie

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:13 pm
by Kermithimself
I don't really get the 202's. The Firecrest version is 1450 grams claimed, which isn't exactly light. The 303 are 30 grams heavier, but more aero. If you want a wheelset for climbing, you can do better and lighter. It's not impossible to have a set around the 1300 grams mark. If you want an all-round wheelset for both flats, climbing etc. look at something like the 303, Enve 3.4/4.5 or something around 40-45 mm rim depth.

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:53 am
by Catagory6
Kermithimself wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:13 pm
I don't really get the 202's. The Firecrest version is 1450 grams claimed, which isn't exactly light. The 303 are 30 grams heavier, but more aero. If you want a wheelset for climbing, you can do better and lighter. It's not impossible to have a set around the 1300 grams mark. If you want an all-round wheelset for both flats, climbing etc. look at something like the 303, Enve 3.4/4.5 or something around 40-45 mm rim depth.
problem is the deeper section draws too much attention.
been reading more about the 202, and it doesn't seem to be a very popular Zipp product.

i've now stumbled upon the Nox Falkor 36r. but there doesn't seem to be too many comments or reviews for these rims.
went to a wheel building website and they can get pretty close to that 1300 gram mark

anybody have knowledge of these rims?

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:23 am
by Multebear
It’s very popular amongst the pro’s on hilly races.

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:02 am
by Nefarious86
Multebear wrote:It’s very popular amongst the pro’s on hilly races.
The 202 tubular is a very different animal to the clincher.

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:55 am
by Multebear
Nefarious86 wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:02 am
Multebear wrote:It’s very popular amongst the pro’s on hilly races.
The 202 tubular is a very different animal to the clincher.
Would you mind elaborating? Just curious, never tried the tub version.

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:48 pm
by Catagory6
Multebear wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:55 am
Nefarious86 wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:02 am
Multebear wrote:It’s very popular amongst the pro’s on hilly races.
The 202 tubular is a very different animal to the clincher.
Would you mind elaborating? Just curious, never tried the tub version.
you guys lost me. which wheel are we talking about now? the 202, 303, or the NOX Falkor?

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:56 pm
by Nefarious86
The 202 tubular is almost 300g lighter than the clincher.

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:27 pm
by LouisN
FWIW my attention is more drawn on a bike with HED Belgium C2 rims than Zipp 202 clinchers ;) ...
And, no, you won't get much benfit on a 202 clincher wheelset.
Many 30-35mm tubular carbon rimmed wheelsets without stickers (on a sub 1300g wheelset) would fill your demands better.
Louis :)

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:49 am
by Catagory6
LouisN wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:27 pm
FWIW my attention is more drawn on a bike with HED Belgium C2 rims than Zipp 202 clinchers ;) ...
And, no, you won't get much benfit on a 202 clincher wheelset.
Many 30-35mm tubular carbon rimmed wheelsets without stickers (on a sub 1300g wheelset) would fill your demands better.
Louis :)
i would go tubular, if i had a support vehicle with extra wheels

as i keep digging, other interesting rim brands start popping up. such as the FSE EVO 35mm clincher

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:07 pm
by StevenH72
Enve SES 2.2?

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:18 pm
by LouisN
Catagory6 wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:49 am
LouisN wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:27 pm
FWIW my attention is more drawn on a bike with HED Belgium C2 rims than Zipp 202 clinchers ;) ...
And, no, you won't get much benfit on a 202 clincher wheelset.
Many 30-35mm tubular carbon rimmed wheelsets without stickers (on a sub 1300g wheelset) would fill your demands better.
Louis :)
i would go tubular, if i had a support vehicle with extra wheels
Come on..., at 163 lbs on New England roads you can ride two years without having to change a tub ;) .

Louis :)

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:55 pm
by MyM3Coupe
Nefarious86 wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:56 pm
The 202 tubular is almost 300g lighter than the clincher.
206(g) to be exact. Not a huge difference.

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:55 pm
by Weenie

Re: talk to me about the Zipp 202 firecrest clincher rim brake

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:18 am
by alcatraz
I'd wait with the purchase a bit until you get a bit faster and leaner perhaps. 202s are better than alloy rims but a bit of a niche product.

How about putting more training in on the HED C2's, build up a little speed, and then getting a 38 or 50mm carbon wheelset. The weight penalty is quite small and the wheels hold speed quite nicely. :)

I used to live in another country where I grew up laughing a bit at the rare sight of someone dressed in lycra. I didn't know why, it just felt socially a bit unacceptable. 4/100 cyclists used it. Many years later I moved to China and here even a snail/grandmother/oldtimer with 12km/h average has flashy lycra bibs/jersey/sunglasses. It really cleared up my mind that it's stupid to care about what people think. Use the right tool for the job. :D