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zappafile123
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by zappafile123

jgpallero wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:05 am
zappafile123 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:01 am
I just got a set of WTO Dark 60s with a campag freehub.

weight was 1595.2 grams.

GP5000s were *extremely* difficult to mount by hand which is bloody annoying. Building onto a new Colnago V3rs. I'll provide a ride report soon.
Mmm, interesting. I'm tempted to buy a WTO's 33 and I use GP 5000 tires. Has anyone the same problems mounting this Continental tires?
And they were standard clinchers too - not the tubeless version. I needed tire levers to put the tire on the rim and punctured a latex tube in the process.
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by neeb

zappafile123 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:59 am
jgpallero wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:05 am
zappafile123 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:01 am
I just got a set of WTO Dark 60s with a campag freehub.

weight was 1595.2 grams.

GP5000s were *extremely* difficult to mount by hand which is bloody annoying. Building onto a new Colnago V3rs. I'll provide a ride report soon.
Mmm, interesting. I'm tempted to buy a WTO's 33 and I use GP 5000 tires. Has anyone the same problems mounting this Continental tires?
And they were standard clinchers too - not the tubeless version. I needed tire levers to put the tire on the rim and punctured a latex tube in the process.
Did you use the recessed bit in the middle of the rim bed to help install the tyres?

I found conti GP 5000 clinchers (and other tyres) very difficult to mount on my WTO33s at first because these wheels were the first 2-way fit ones I'd had, with that dip in the middle of the rim bed.

The trick is to squeeze the two beads of the clincher together all of the way around the wheel so that they are sitting down inside that middle recessed channel. Then it should be fairly easy to mount the tyres. You can do the same thing when removing the tyre if you get all/most of the air out first.

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by sfo423

Speed 40 DB (same rim as WTO (but a 40mm)) I believe) mounting to GP5000 TL was tight; needed a lever and to spray water over final few inches to fit. Inflated/seated with a hand pump (cores removed).

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by jlok

Speed 55 DB mounting GP5000 25 and 28mm clinchers just fine, just a little push from a lever.
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ultimobici wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:16 am
gwerziou wrote:
simbikotic wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:19 pm
gwerziou wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:07 am
Are the WTO wheels shipping with N3W freehub bodies yet?
Hmm. Campy website is not listing it in the specs for wto wheels as far as I can see. Curious: are you considering running Boras with Ekar for a gravel build? Or are there other reasons to want N3W?
I would assume that all Campy wheels will run N3W in the future. I'm wondering if it's already started.
Doubtful as I believe the drive ring is a slightly different diameter.
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I'd guess that within two years time all of their products will have transitioned to the new standard.
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neeb wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:20 pm
zappafile123 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:59 am
jgpallero wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:05 am
zappafile123 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:01 am
I just got a set of WTO Dark 60s with a campag freehub.

weight was 1595.2 grams.

GP5000s were *extremely* difficult to mount by hand which is bloody annoying. Building onto a new Colnago V3rs. I'll provide a ride report soon.
Mmm, interesting. I'm tempted to buy a WTO's 33 and I use GP 5000 tires. Has anyone the same problems mounting this Continental tires?
And they were standard clinchers too - not the tubeless version. I needed tire levers to put the tire on the rim and punctured a latex tube in the process.
Did you use the recessed bit in the middle of the rim bed to help install the tyres?

I found conti GP 5000 clinchers (and other tyres) very difficult to mount on my WTO33s at first because these wheels were the first 2-way fit ones I'd had, with that dip in the middle of the rim bed.

The trick is to squeeze the two beads of the clincher together all of the way around the wheel so that they are sitting down inside that middle recessed channel. Then it should be fairly easy to mount the tyres. You can do the same thing when removing the tyre if you get all/most of the air out first.
Thanks for the tip. I think the bead of the tire that was already on the rim was somewhere around the inner third of the rim closest to the side on which the other bead was to be mounted... if that makes sense.
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by Vuong05

zappafile123 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:59 am
jgpallero wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:05 am
zappafile123 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:01 am
I just got a set of WTO Dark 60s with a campag freehub.

weight was 1595.2 grams.

GP5000s were *extremely* difficult to mount by hand which is bloody annoying. Building onto a new Colnago V3rs. I'll provide a ride report soon.
Mmm, interesting. I'm tempted to buy a WTO's 33 and I use GP 5000 tires. Has anyone the same problems mounting this Continental tires?
And they were standard clinchers too - not the tubeless version. I needed tire levers to put the tire on the rim and punctured a latex tube in the process.
I've mounted plenty of tires on my WTO 60 wheels without any issues. Like many have said, you need to make sure the tire is pinched/squeezed onto the middle part of the rim when installing. I can mount all my tires without levers, and I've mounted the following tires: GP5000, Turbo Cottons, Sworks Turbo, PZero Velo.

To remove the tires, I need just one lever at most.
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by simbikotic

gwerziou wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:39 pm
ultimobici wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:16 am
gwerziou wrote:
simbikotic wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:19 pm


Hmm. Campy website is not listing it in the specs for wto wheels as far as I can see. Curious: are you considering running Boras with Ekar for a gravel build? Or are there other reasons to want N3W?
I would assume that all Campy wheels will run N3W in the future. I'm wondering if it's already started.
Doubtful as I believe the drive ring is a slightly different diameter.
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I'd guess that within two years time all of their products will have transitioned to the new standard.
Yeah it will be interesting to see what happens here. Right now the only 13 speed offering is the gravel set and the only wheels with N3W (afaik) are Shamal Carbon, which also have some nods to gravel usage (j-pull spokes, wider rims). For use with the 12 speed road sets the N3W system uses an adapter, I guess time will tell if that has issues re wear, or power transfer. I think if we see N3W on Boras that might be an indator that a 13 speed road group is going to drop. No idea ofc - just speculating.

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by jlok

There's already technical manual on N3W freehub body swap on Fulcrum wheels.
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by JayOJonson

jgpallero wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:05 am
zappafile123 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:01 am
I just got a set of WTO Dark 60s with a campag freehub.

weight was 1595.2 grams.

GP5000s were *extremely* difficult to mount by hand which is bloody annoying. Building onto a new Colnago V3rs. I'll provide a ride report soon.
Mmm, interesting. I'm tempted to buy a WTO's 33 and I use GP 5000 tires. Has anyone the same problems mounting this Continental tires?
Took me ages, and some sore hands mounting some GP5k's onto my WTO 45

sfo423
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by sfo423

Anyone mount GP 5000 TL in a 28? Curious to see inflated width on rim.

bdb
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by bdb

Is it just me or are the openings on the provided valves a little too narrow. I have orange sealant for my gravel bike and the valves are much narrower. What do folks use to inject sealant

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by andreasklae

JayOJonson wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:24 pm
jgpallero wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:05 am
zappafile123 wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:01 am
I just got a set of WTO Dark 60s with a campag freehub.

weight was 1595.2 grams.

GP5000s were *extremely* difficult to mount by hand which is bloody annoying. Building onto a new Colnago V3rs. I'll provide a ride report soon.
Mmm, interesting. I'm tempted to buy a WTO's 33 and I use GP 5000 tires. Has anyone the same problems mounting this Continental tires?
Took me ages, and some sore hands mounting some GP5k's onto my WTO 45
I just mounted GP 5000 TL tires on my new Campy WTO 60s. This was my very first attempt at mounting tubeless tires and that was really hard. No way I could do it without tools, needed 3 tyre levers and still got blood on my hands. But, I managed to fit them before getting nervous breakdown and I am quite happy how they fit. They hold air without sealant for quite a few days and they look good. I have to add that I used an air compressor for pumping them up and that went without any problems.

simbikotic
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by simbikotic

Just taken delivery of these 45's (Disc version). The look absolutely amazing. They feel very solid and well made. By far the most beautiful wheels *I* have ever owned. On the scales they come up heavier than the claimed weight (+40g). I was expecting this given the posts of others here - but still - would prefer an accurate claimed weight. One slight negative is that the front hub felt a little gritty when I spun it up between my fingers. I adjusted the preload and it felt better. Cannot wait to ride them, but they're for a new build, which is going to take a while.
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fbonde
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by fbonde

Hey guys,

currently, building a V3rs and will probably go with WTO33 or 45's disc - My question is, have anyone mounted victoria Corsa 28mm on them? i like the ride fell of the 28mm and low pressure. I'm very curious to know if that works on the V3rs/WTO33 /45 and how they measure in real life.

Thanks :-)

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