Schmolke wheels TLO or SL ? review, stiffness??

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Rex
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by Rex

Wookski wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:53 am
After seeing half a dozen sets with significant QC issues I would wait until Schmolke get their sh!t together or at least employ someone to drill spike holes who isn’t blind :)
Thanks for the tip, I'll get Starbike to ensure they double and tripple check the spoke holes before they build them.

Wookski
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by Wookski

Rex wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:20 am
Wookski wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:53 am
After seeing half a dozen sets with significant QC issues I would wait until Schmolke get their sh!t together or at least employ someone to drill spike holes who isn’t blind :)
Thanks for the tip, I'll get Starbike to ensure they double and tripple check the spoke holes before they build them.
This sounds ridiculous but also make sure the front and rear rim decals match- that’s the level of QC you’re dealing with here.

Rex
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by Rex

Wookski wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:06 am
This sounds ridiculous but also make sure the front and rear rim decals match- that’s the level of QC you’re dealing with here.
*gulp*

OK will do thanks

da123
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by da123

I’ve got the TLO 45 clinchers with the Tune Mig45 / Mag150 hubs.

1215g actual bare weight (vs. 1160 claimed).

I’ve put around 300 miles on them so far.

Initial impressions:

Stability : they are not as stable in cross winds as the latest wheel designs. Not frightening, but they do get pushed around (I’ve been riding in some pretty windy conditions - 15 - 20mph winds). You wouldn't describe them as rock solid. I suspect that you'd be less likely to suffer the sort of heart stopping moments you can get with a slab sided V like the Meilensteins, but you need to be alert.

Climbing : then are noticeably more sprightly on the climbs than my ENVE 4.5 tubs. To be expected, as overall wheel weight with tyres etc. is about 200g lighter than the ENVEs. It sounds an obvious thing to say, but they are a 'light' feeling wheel. They feel subjectively more lively than a set of sub 1kg 33mm deep climbing tubs I have, even though they are 150g or so heavier overall.

Braking : good in the dry and squeal free. There is some sort of treatment of the braking surface (possibly filaments woven in to the carbon). They prefer Black Prince pads to the Lightweight pads I used initially (which caused some juddering). Not ridden them in the wet.

Hubs : smooth and free running so far. Too soon to comment really.

Aero : difficult to say definitively. Subjectively marginally better than my Lightweight Meilensteins I’d say, which are pretty much the same depth. They do feel ‘quick’ on the flat like any half reasonable mid section wheel. Don't feel quite as quick as my ENVEs on the flat, but I'd happily trade this for the improvement in climbing.

Stiffness : they feel plenty stiff to me. Certainly stiffer than pure shallow climbing wheels. Not as stiff as my Lightweights, but that's to be expected. I'm not that heavy though.

Ride quality : acceptable, though my lightweights soak up road chatter better. Tyre wise, I’m running Michelin Power Competition 23s with Vredestein latex tubes at 100psi (possibly a touch high, so might improve with slightly lower pressure).

Product / build quality : seems decent. I suspect (based on nothing more than having the bike in the stand and spinning the back wheel) that they are not perfectly balanced for some reason, although they are straight and round. Whatever the balance issue may be, it is not noticeable on the road. The 3k surface finish of the carbon is not completely uniform, but looks good and is in keeping with Schmolke's other products. The decals are removable.

Note : contrary to what I've seen elsewhere on a different thread (which I recall was someone commenting on how difficult they were to set up tubeless...), these wheels are NOT tubeless compatible. I checked.

In summary, I'm very pleased with them so far. Some wheels have a nice overall 'feel' to them which means you look forward to riding them, and these fall into that category. They're not world beaters in any department, but a well balanced wheel if you accept their limitations in the stability department.
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Rex
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by Rex

Great review thanks, and if I decide to go clinchers I'll be using those same tyres as they're fantastic. I assume you've put 25's on them? Are they flush with the brake track?
20/24 CX-Ray spoke combo I also assume?

Your bike looks bad-ass mate, nice!

da123
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by da123

Rex wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:57 pm
Great review thanks, and if I decide to go clinchers I'll be using those same tyres as they're fantastic. I assume you've put 25's on them? Are they flush with the brake track?
20/24 CX-Ray spoke combo I also assume?

Your bike looks bad-ass mate, nice!
Thanks. It’s certainly better than the rider!

They are 23s and they are flush. The 25s are a bit too wide.

The spokes are mostly CX Super Spokes. I think they use CX-Rays on the non-drive side on the rear.

Rex
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by Rex

Oh wow SuperSpokes... How much do you weigh?
I'd love to go SS to shed more weight but at 80kg+ I'm too concerned with lateral flex.

da123
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by da123

Rex wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:12 pm
Oh wow SuperSpokes... How much do you weigh?
I'd love to go SS to shed more weight but at 80kg+ I'm too concerned with lateral flex.
65 kilos. I think that if you go TLO that’s the standard build. Tune build the wheels with the Tune hubs. If you go Extralite hubs, then Schmolke use a local wheel builder.

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