Disc brake wheelset decision: Enve SES 3.4 4.5AR 5.6

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spdntrxi
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by spdntrxi

yes the above would be correct... 32 would even be better

TLN
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by TLN

Any wheels with 32mm width? Knot 64 and that's it I think. Rovals all are 29.9, Enve 4.5AR are 30.5 and 31. "open mold" wheels are 30mm wide.

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spdntrxi
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by spdntrxi

or 28c tires that dont bloat to 32+

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by TobinHatesYou

TLN wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:41 pm

So pretty much if I wanna run 28c and have optimal aerodynamics I must be looking at 30+width? Roval CL32/50/64, Enve 4.5AR or Hollowgram KNOT64?

25mm Pro Ones bulge out to about 29mm on 5.6s, which is still a little bit large for the rim. I would run 23mm Pro Ones, 25mm Fusions, 25mm GP5Ks on 5.6s. If you want to run wider tires, get wider rims like the ones you asked about.

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by spdntrxi

my plan is too run Turbo Cotton 24c (F) 26c (R) with my 5.6

scb
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by scb

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:14 am
TLN wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:41 pm

So pretty much if I wanna run 28c and have optimal aerodynamics I must be looking at 30+width? Roval CL32/50/64, Enve 4.5AR or Hollowgram KNOT64?

25mm Pro Ones bulge out to about 29mm on 5.6s, which is still a little bit large for the rim. I would run 23mm Pro Ones, 25mm Fusions, 25mm GP5Ks on 5.6s. If you want to run wider tires, get wider rims like the ones you asked about.
Same for 3.4s?

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by TobinHatesYou

scb wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:03 pm

Same for 3.4s?
3.4s are 21mm internal and 27.5mm external or something like that. It depends on what you want out of them. If you’re just using them as every day wheels, then use whatever tires you like. If you want the best aero performance out of them, then use 25mm tires that are known to come up a bit small.

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by Lugan

I have a set of 3.4 Disc wheels with Pro One 28c tires. Tubeless at around 70 psi, they measure 30.1 mm. The rims are 27.5 mm wide front and rear, so the tires do plump out a little wider. If I were worried about maximizing aerodynamics, I'd go for 25c tires intead.
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by grooveninja

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:25 am
Continental seems to agree with ENVE...the sidewall of the GP 5000 TL even says not to install the tire on a hookless rim. I bet in real life nothing bad will happen, especially at sane tubeless tire pressures
My assumption is the danger is the tire blowing off the rim? On my 4.5 AR SES, I usually run about 60 psi rear, 55psi front. Has anyone played around on 4.5 AR SES rims?

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by Bordcla

grooveninja wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:05 pm
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:25 am
Continental seems to agree with ENVE...the sidewall of the GP 5000 TL even says not to install the tire on a hookless rim. I bet in real life nothing bad will happen, especially at sane tubeless tire pressures


My assumption is the danger is the tire blowing off the rim? On my 4.5 AR SES, I usually run about 60 psi rear, 55psi front. Has anyone played around on 4.5 AR SES rims?
I use my 4.5 ARs with 28mm GP4Ks with tubes, as approved by Enve tech support, and run the same pressures you indicated.

It seems weird that gp5k tubeless would somehow be worse for security that gp4ks since they're supposed to account for that by design, being tubeless specific, but then again, if Enve goes out of their way to warrant against using them, I wouldn't want to run the risk...

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by jlok

Bordcla wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:28 am
I use my 4.5 ARs with 28mm GP4Ks with tubes, as approved by Enve tech support, and run the same pressures you indicated.

It seems weird that gp5k tubeless would somehow be worse for security that gp4ks since they're supposed to account for that by design, being tubeless specific, but then again, if Enve goes out of their way to warrant against using them, I wouldn't want to run the risk...
Since Enve website is no longer listing the GP4K, would you use the email you got and check with Enve again about the use of GP4K clincher on 4.5AR?
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jlok wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:45 am
Bordcla wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:28 am
I use my 4.5 ARs with 28mm GP4Ks with tubes, as approved by Enve tech support, and run the same pressures you indicated.

It seems weird that gp5k tubeless would somehow be worse for security that gp4ks since they're supposed to account for that by design, being tubeless specific, but then again, if Enve goes out of their way to warrant against using them, I wouldn't want to run the risk...
Since Enve website is no longer listing the GP4K, would you use the email you got and check with Enve again about the use of GP4K clincher on 4.5AR?
I don't recall the gp4k (or any other non-tubeless tire for that matter) being listed in their website. The indication I got from Enve regarding the gp4k and tubes was solely via email from their tech support people.

Was it ever listed on the website without my noticing?

jlok
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by jlok

My bad for the wording. I mean the current compatibility list is after your email exchange with Enve. If Enve support gp4k they should have listed that. That's my assumption.
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by Bordcla

I agree that this would have been best, but since they generally advise not to use any non-tubeless tire, it's just probably simpler for them to say that and not bother with exceptions that would dilute the message.

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