Vision Metron 40

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Cascadebiker
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by Cascadebiker

Just got a new set of black Metron 40 campy clinchers

Actual weight 1,560 grams (700 front, 860 rear) w/o skewers

Decals on dark version are subdued and also very easy to remove if you are so inclined

Shipping time via Starbike: received them 7 days after ordering, no problems with customs clearance, delivery USPS to residential west coast US address.

Got them for right around US $1,200 delivery included. Was initially shopping for Enve or Zipp (couldn't justify paying two to three times more) or Campy Bora Ultra (price plus major production backlog due to labor issues). Looking forward to trying out the Metrons- the reports I've read and heard are very promising.

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by nlouthan

That's a nice looking wheel. FSA is certainly investing in their products. Looking forward to review.

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F45
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by F45

Wow, heavy. Must be Gigantex rims. Anything special about the hubs?

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by tmchen

Looking to get either 40 or 55. I heard that the bearings are ceramic but the sites are putting as stainless steel. Any clues to which is correct?

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by stormur

F45 wrote:Wow, heavy. Must be Gigantex rims. Anything special about the hubs?


Yes, very special : it won't be recalled :mrgreen:

I assume you work for Zipp or Enve :mrgreen: and remind me please same profile Zipp wheelset weight ? ;)

Vision ( except "team" products ; these should be avoided like a disease ) make really nice wheels recently. Basically only Vision which I had were really true straight from factory with most even tension, and I never had any need to true them after while. Such thing didn't happened to any other factory wheels I owned.

It's really weird ( or so heavy sponsored ) that this forum "sees" only Zipp & Enve, isn't it ? There's so many nice wheels on the market ... Like Vision, Corima, Ursus, DT, HED.... nope, Zipp for everyone , and Conti GP400s2 :mrgreen:
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by sawyer

stormur wrote:
F45 wrote:Wow, heavy. Must be Gigantex rims. Anything special about the hubs?


I assume you work for Zipp or Enve :mrgreen: and remind me please same profile Zipp wheelset weight ? ;)

Vision ( except "team" products ; these should be avoided like a disease ) make really nice wheels recently. Basically only Vision which I had were really true straight from factory with most even tension, and I never had any need to true them after while. Such thing didn't happened to any other factory wheels I owned.

It's really weird ( or so heavy sponsored ) that this forum "sees" only Zipp & Enve, isn't it ? There's so many nice wheels on the market ... Like Vision, Corima, Ursus, DT, HED.... nope, Zipp for everyone , and Conti GP400s2 :mrgreen:


You really think Zipp isn't criticised on this forum???

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by stormur

Zipp is criticised, and most often recommended regardless its poor value for the money and constant quality issues.

Enve is overpriced everywhere ;) 1300€ can buy you really high end wheelset used in ProTour (if that matters to someone...). And basically anything will be better than Zipp.

BTW I have always doubts about cycling components pricing ... when I look at wheelset and Piaggio scooter, and wheelset, and Piaggio.... same price .... :mrgreen:
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by Zigmeister

Why do so many "wheel" companies still use a radial NDS spoke setup...gheez...even Zipp doesn't do that anymore.

Anyway, Zipp rims are great, as well as the CXRay spokes, their hubs have been the sore point and lacing/tensioning.

Enve, yes, way overpriced. Buy used I guess? $1800 for just the rims, then spokes with my own hubs would have run me $2100 from a builder...I know, Enve are bomb proof and they will warranty them 5yrs...crash and all. For that price..they should.

Anyway, not sure why Metron weights are so high. Those weights for the 40 are around Zipp 404, Enve 6.7 SES, HeD, Bont Aeolus, Boyd 60mm, November Rail 52mm, FLO 62mm rims etc..all being 10-15mm deeper for the same weights??

I know, aero trumps weight always except only in the most extreme climbs...but for that weight, would love more "Aero".

Price is descent though. Have fun on them!

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by stormur

It's clincher with 25.5mm rim width - what you expect ? ow weight ? - go tubular. 300g down, immediately.

For small weight penalty you have wheelset which A. will last B. Will be stable and stiff C. Won't be recalled D. you can have 2 wheelsets instead of 1 ( Enve price )...

I would never ever put HED, Bontrager, Vision on same shelve with Boyd or FLO... not the same league. Farsports and Boyd/ FLO - that fits.
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by sawyer

They look nice, and I'd happily ride Vision wheels, though can't see what they offer over Boras, and they re heavier
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by F45

sawyer, you must work for Enve or Zipp; I can smell it!

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F45 wrote:sawyer, you must work for Enve or Zipp; I can smell it!


LOL ... never owned ENVE ... they look nice, but literally cost 2x the price of Bora Ones here in the UK. I'd prefer Boras at the same price.

Zipp I do own and really like their rims. Hubs have some issues as we all know
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by Zigmeister

stormur wrote:It's clincher with 25.5mm rim width - what you expect ? ow weight ? - go tubular. 300g down, immediately.

For small weight penalty you have wheelset which A. will last B. Will be stable and stiff C. Won't be recalled D. you can have 2 wheelsets instead of 1 ( Enve price )...

I would never ever put HED, Bontrager, Vision on same shelve with Boyd or FLO... not the same league. Farsports and Boyd/ FLO - that fits.



My point being, not that Flo/Boyd are on the same level as the other "big brands". But their quality is right up there and pretty close these days. Taiwan is the epicenter of carbon manufacturing in the World.

Yes, making wheels in the US like Zipp, Enve etc..could have advantages, but doesn't necessarily mean it makes them better by default. Zipp might make a great rim, but if the hubs are garbage/typically are...what is the point?

Anyway, the big picture, hard to justify the weight of the Metron wheel at 40mm depth, when you can get a substantial aero advantage/savings, run a deeper wheel, at the same weight. That was mainly my post point. Even off brands and their deeper 55-62mm wheels, weight the same as the Metron 40mm.

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by stormur

you're right . Chinese is best. on Bitex hubs. Cerrramic :mrgreen: And naturally Conti GP4000s2 for the set.

nothing can beat that. maybe only High End FLO wheelset :mrgreen: Or Boyd . They're best. Absolutely.

Will give more speed to your bike with compact crank. :roll:
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by pdlpsher1

Cascadebiker wrote:Just got a new set of black Metron 40 campy clinchers
Shipping time via Starbike: received them 7 days after ordering, no problems with customs clearance, delivery USPS to residential west coast US address.


When you buy stuff from overseas how much in customs do you have to pay? Is it luck of the draw that some will be owed a customs duty? I have thought about buying a wheelset from overseas but the customs duty scares me.

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