New Wheels opinion - ENVE or Lightweight

Everything about building wheels, glueing tubs, etc.

Which Wheels?

MEILENSTEIN Obermayer WEISS EDITION • Lightweight
20
43%
Enve 3.4 with Alchemy Elf/Orc hub
21
46%
Enve 3.4 with White Industries Ti hubs
5
11%
 
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elfuinha
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by elfuinha

hello

2012 is here and i was thinking in a new pair of wheels:

Lightweight Standart 3 Black Edition 20/24 - 36T ratchet DTswiss tubular - 1130g


or

ENVE 3.4 smart + Alchemy Hubs + DT swis aerolite spokes - 1270g

i'm corrently riding Enve 1.45 + pillar aero + carbon-ti Hubs - 1099g, that i really like, and thinking of selling just to fund one these options, if i can, i will try to keep them.

i would like some in sites of people who have used both, to know how they ride.

my corrent build is as seen below:

Moots Vamoots RSL 56 PFTBB30
Ax lightness Helios 3k
Chris King NoThreadset - Sotte Voce
MCFK 3k 30.9 + Pop-parts M5 yokes - 380mm
Zipp SL Speed 110mm 31.8mm
Enve/Edge 1.45 + Pillar 1422 + Carbon-ti 20/24
Vittoria corsa Cx2 23mm
FSA K-Force Light NANO-K Compact 42cm
Seatclamp - Tune 34.9mm torx
Dearrailleur Clamp 34.9 - MCFK
Shimano Durace FR. DR.
Sram RED R. DR
EE Brakes + Zipp Tangente Cork
Sram RED doubletap
Cassete Sram Red 11-25
Chain Sram RED
Cannondale - BB30 53/39
Pressfitt Sram PFTBB30 ceramic
Fizik Antares 00
Speedplay Zero + Ward Ti Axle
Lizard Skins DSP race
Alligator Mini-Ilink + Ilink
KCNC Z6 Qr
Paragon machine Works Stainless steel Barrel ajuster
Garmin EDGE 800, Speed/cadence
Ax lightness Bottlecage - x2

+ or - 6000g (without the garmin)

thank you for your answers

best regards
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fa63
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by fa63

This is WW, so the Lightweights all day (plus I hear they are pretty good wheels :wink:). Plus I think they would look amazing on your Moots.

elfuinha
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by elfuinha

thanks

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Stolichnaya
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by Stolichnaya

Yes, this may be WW, but let's have a reality check for a second.
You should really consider what your riding environment is and factor in what is important for you.
While a lower depth that the LWs, the ENVEs offer a more aerodynamic rim shape, which is apparently acceptionally helpful in sidewinds, etc.
The ENVEs also come with Alchemy hubs which are far superior to DT's.
I cannot speak for stiffness between the two wheelsets.
Food for thought...

gumgardner
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by gumgardner

Since it's not my money...Lightweights

elfuinha
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by elfuinha

Stolichnaya wrote:Yes, this may be WW, but let's have a reality check for a second.
You should really consider what your riding environment is and factor in what is important for you.
While a lower depth that the LWs, the ENVEs offer a more aerodynamic rim shape, which is apparently acceptionally helpful in sidewinds, etc.
The ENVEs also come with Alchemy hubs which are far superior to DT's.
I cannot speak for stiffness between the two wheelsets.
Food for thought...


Hello thanks for your answer:

regarding the the aerodynamic rim shape, i expect that Enve Rims do offer a better ride, but regarding the the stiffness of the wheels, i expect LWs to be far better than Enve even with the Alchemy hubs that are among the stiffess hubs avaivable.

you can see here in Adrien site: http://www.rouesartisanales.com/article-53429649.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

as far as DTswiss hubs, can be easily replaced by regardind the freewheel Shimano or campy.

as far as parts, should easily get bearings, ratchet's - service, for LWs, no custom tools needed.

the other thing that i'm consedering is the price - LWS i can get below 2600€ (Qrs, Bags, rim pads) and the Enve ones cost 2800€, no bags, Qrs or pads.

as far as the weight LWs weight 150g less.

Best regards

eric
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by eric

If it was me, I'd want your current wheels, perhaps with stainless spokes instead of Ti, for stiffness.

What's wrong with them?

elfuinha
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by elfuinha

eric wrote:If it was me, I'd want your current wheels, perhaps with stainless spokes instead of Ti, for stiffness.

What's wrong with them?


They are the stainless spokes, no the ti ones that are like noodles

Best regards

What's wrong with them?[/quote] - Nothing just want to go with lightweight (but have questions)

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Stolichnaya
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by Stolichnaya

Not sure who's quoting you that price for the ENVE build, but you can find them a lot cheaper...

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prendrefeu
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by prendrefeu

Lightweights.

I like the ENVE 3.4 or 5.6 new shape & aero claims, but the weights are kinda 'meh' .
Lightweights always look gorgeous, too.
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elfuinha
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by elfuinha

Stolichnaya wrote:Not sure who's quoting you that price for the ENVE build, but you can find them a lot cheaper...


here in europe????

best regards

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slyboots
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by slyboots

Enve's of course. They must be more aero and look good. LWs are kind of ugly.

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by sawyer

Neither - LWs are overpriced and hard to repair, and ENVE's are not stiff, oh and overpriced (in Europe).
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Stiff, Light, Aero - Pick Three!! :thumbup:

Kulzv
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by Kulzv

Lightweight clinchers were test-winners in the latest tour-magazine due to their lowest weight, stiffness and best "feel" when riding. Enve`s weren`t included but the whole zipp line was. IMO Lightweights are a step above in terms of construction and they`re quite timeless as well - must be good for re-sale value?

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by Bridgeman

Have there been any stiffness tests done on the Enve 3.4 wheels? I was in the process of finalizing the purchase of a new wheel set until all these observations of floppy wheels came to light. This will not stand man!

I currently have a set of Reynolds MV32 tubular rims built with DT190 hubs, and they have been fantastic as they are entering into their 5th year of service.

Kind of had the urge to go for deeper aero wheels, but the level of fitness bumped upward a bit and I'm not so sure a few watts matters. Funny how that works.

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