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Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:55 pm
by BdaGhisallo
I have a set of LW Stds that must be Gen 1. They are built around the DT 240s hub internals. Does anyone see any reason why I wouldn't be able to convert them to take Shimano 11sp by changing the rotor and end cap to the new 240s 11sp compatible versions?

I am thinking it should be fine, but since these wheels are not the most recent generations, I am just wondering if I am missing anything.

Thanks,
Geoff

Re: Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:13 pm
by thisisatest
The wheel will be out of dish, technically. Personally, I did this on one and could not see an appreciable difference. IMO the dish change is less than dish variance between two different wheels.

Re: Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:13 pm
by Weenie

Re: Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:28 pm
by CarpetFibre
LW Gen Is didn't have DT swiss internals as far as I know - I thought they had Dura Ace hub internals for Shimano ones. I think your wheels may be Gen II?

Re: Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:47 pm
by BdaGhisallo
Let me clarify. The LWs I am referring to were the first generation produced after the company was purchased by Carbonsport. They have DT internals. I also have a set of the pre-Carbonsport LWs from the Dierl & Obermeyer days, and they do have Shimano 7700 internals in the rear hub.

Re: Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:03 pm
by HammerTime2
In Lightweight Mellenstein, Andreas Schiwy, a.k.a. CarbonSportsGmbH wrote:All Lightweight rear wheels will be compatible to Shimano 11s. The new production has modified hubs, and there will be new DT freehub bodies (marked as 11s). Four different combinatins wiil be possible:
  • 10s wheel + 10s freehub body => 130mm wide, the well known setting up to now
  • 10s wheel + 11s freehub body => 131mm, wheel is 0,5mm off center to the left, when using 21t or 23t cassettes derailler may contact spokes (only with sprint rear wheel)
  • 11s wheel + 10s freehub body => 131mm, wheel is 0,5mm off center to the right
  • 11s wheel + 11s freehub body => 131mm (spacer needed to use 10s cassettes here, spacer is part of purchased parts package)

In Lightweight Mellenstein, Andreas Schiwy, a.k.a. CarbonSportsGmbH wrote:
HammerTime2 wrote:So is there no spoke contact problem for all 10 speed Lightweight wheels other than sprint? What about Ventoux Gen. II or Gen. III with DT 240 or DT 190 plus new (11s) freehub? What are the consequences of being 0,5 mm off center?


- Ventoux could be critical as well, as they are 24spoked. The "contact area" are the knots where the spokes are bended together...
- 0,5mm off center does not really matter... many wheels come off center and you would never realise during riding. Lots of frames might be off center as well..

Re: Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:12 pm
by BdaGhisallo
thanks Hammertime,

Just to be sure, what do they define as a "sprint" rear wheel?

Re: Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:18 pm
by HammerTime2
Sprint rear wheel has 24 spokes (it was designed for a sprinter, to be even stiffer than the Standard). If you have 20 spokes rear, you are fine.

Note that Ventoux, now Gipfelsturm, also has 24 spokes rear, but given that you have a Standard, you obviously do not have that.

Re: Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:26 pm
by BdaGhisallo
Gotcha. My rear LW has 20 spokes.

Thanks.

Lightweight generation 0 - 11 speed freehub doable?

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:23 pm
by Stegger
The age of this wheel indirectly shows how old I am, but as the wheel I hope I still have few rides left in me:
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The shown Shimano freehub is on LIghtweight wheel I bought directly from Driel and Obermeyer way back in 1997 and while it is likely far from the recent versions of Carbonsports wheels it is not too bad though. So, I would like to use it on a new upcoming bike with a new 11-speed Di2 group. Does anyone here dare to speculate if it is at all doable getting an 11 speed shimano freehub onto this wheel and perhaps also where I could buy on that would fit?

Thanks!

Re: Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:26 pm
by Mackers
That looks like a 7400 freehub, which would mean that you're on your own.

Re: Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:27 am
by jekyll man
There was a thread on here, but cant find it.
From what i remember, the answer was no...

Re: Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:50 pm
by bikerjulio
in the early days of shimano testing their 11-speed group, there were people running on a regular wheel but with one cog removed from the cassette. so the rest of the 11-speed system will work, you will just have 10-speeds.

probably the only way of doing it with that hub.

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:09 am
by Causidicus
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Re: Lightweight generation 0 - 11 speed freehub doable?

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:00 pm
by thencameyou
Stegger wrote:The age of this wheel indirectly shows how old I am, but as the wheel I hope I still have few rides left in me:

The shown Shimano freehub is on LIghtweight wheel I bought directly from Driel and Obermeyer way back in 1997 and while it is likely far from the recent versions of Carbonsports wheels it is not too bad though. So, I would like to use it on a new upcoming bike with a new 11-speed Di2 group. Does anyone here dare to speculate if it is at all doable getting an 11 speed shimano freehub onto this wheel and perhaps also where I could buy on that would fit?

Thanks!


sorry, not possible. i had a pair of these wheels and sold them when I found out 11 speed wasn't a goer...they have a 7700 free hub...

Re: Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:48 pm
by Mackers
With 30 minutes of work you could probably have gotten them to work on 7700 hubs.

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Re: Lightweight Standard Gen 1 - convert to Shim 11sp

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:48 pm
by Weenie