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MariusRO
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by MariusRO

Luca199 wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:52 am
jlok wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:49 am
No. Enve can't come close to Campy even if you put them side by side. Both are now molded holes but the finishing on Campy is much better, if not the best out there.
And do you have any opinions on the brand new Zipp 353 NSW, I think they have also just been released (carbon, undulating, 45mm, lightest wheelset but only tubeless, etc). How would they compare to the new bora ultra wto?

Looks like the zipp has 25mm int rim width, so way more optimised for wider tubeless tyres.. just keen to know quality differences between campy and zipp.

Thanks!
That would be an interesting comparison:
Bora WTO (Ultra) 45 vs Zipp 353 NSW (MY 2022)
Or
Bora WTO (Ultra) 60 vs Zipp 454 NSW (MY 2022)

Although the Zipps are about 100g lighter but the Campy hubs might be better quality (see Zipp hub issues with the magnets here: viewtopic.php?t=160459&start=420 )

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jzinckgra
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by jzinckgra

MariusRO wrote:
Luca199 wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:52 am
jlok wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:49 am
No. Enve can't come close to Campy even if you put them side by side. Both are now molded holes but the finishing on Campy is much better, if not the best out there.
And do you have any opinions on the brand new Zipp 353 NSW, I think they have also just been released (carbon, undulating, 45mm, lightest wheelset but only tubeless, etc). How would they compare to the new bora ultra wto?

Looks like the zipp has 25mm int rim width, so way more optimised for wider tubeless tyres.. just keen to know quality differences between campy and zipp.

Thanks!
That would be an interesting comparison:
Bora WTO (Ultra) 45 vs Zipp 353 NSW (MY 2022)
Or
Bora WTO (Ultra) 60 vs Zipp 454 NSW (MY 2022)

Although the Zipps are about 100g lighter but the Campy hubs might be better quality (see Zipp hub issues with the magnets here: viewtopic.php?t=160459&start=420 )
Contemplating between the wto 60 ultra vs 454. Zipps are ~200g lighter. I'm a campy guy so am leaning toward the bora, but they only have 19mm internal width, so having to stick with 25's for tires will probably make for a little firmer ride. I'm not familiar with hookless rims that are offered by the zipp's and have never used tubeless, but the campy's have the option of tubes or tubeless. Finally, not a huge fan of the sawtooth 454 look. Can anyone comment on further comparison? I'm building up my parlee rz7, so naturally want the most aero wheel, but not a lead weight.

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MariusRO
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by MariusRO

My mechanic is complaining regarding the Zipps hubs and carbon quality

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by rollinslow

I have a set of Enve 3.4 with CK ceramic hubs. These wheels sucked and are now on my bad weather bike. I replaced them with Bora WTO 45 rim. I also have Bora WTO 60 disc. In my opinion, there is no question Campy makes the best wheels. Construction, finishing, stiffness and hubs.
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Spinnekop
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MariusRO wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:41 am

That would be an interesting comparison:
Bora WTO (Ultra) 45 vs Zipp 353 NSW (MY 2022)
Or
Bora WTO (Ultra) 60 vs Zipp 454 NSW (MY 2022)

Although the Zipps are about 100g lighter but the Campy hubs might be better quality (see Zipp hub issues with the magnets here: viewtopic.php?t=160459&start=420 )
I had a pair of Zipp 353. Cognition hub failed. Months to replace under warranty. Replaced......spokes kept coming loose.
Bought WTO Ultra 45.
Not one problem yet.

I love the Zipps! They are just beautiful! But in the end, I wanted to ride my bike and not just look at it.

The WTO's came out 70g heavier in the end (Bike weighed with the 353s fully ready to go vs WTO fully ready to go). Kept the tyres, rotors etc all the same.
So not much in it for me considering.

Ride quality? mmmmmmmmm.....very subjective I think personally.......but for me the WTO roll smoother. Less road noise through to the bike. (both setups running 28mm tubeless at 5bar. )
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ChrisGL
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by ChrisGL

I'm debating between Campi wto 45 & wto 60 for everyday road use with +/- 2500' of gain over 50 miles. Does anyone have time-trialing experience with both? My main consideration is getting something faster than my current Bora Ultra 50. I'm worried that most of the aero gain is at the ~35-45mm depth & going deeper only results in marginal gains. Also, what is the difference in comfort between the two?

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by markyboy

rollinslow wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:23 am
I have a set of Enve 3.4 with CK ceramic hubs. These wheels sucked and are now on my bad weather bike. I replaced them with Bora WTO 45 rim. I also have Bora WTO 60 disc. In my opinion, there is no question Campy makes the best wheels. Construction, finishing, stiffness and hubs.
I agree i have enve on on my winter bike and they dont even come close to campy wheels they are so over rated.
My new wto ultra 45 should be here soon :thumbup:
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