Pinarello Dogma F12 x-light INEOS

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Wildstyle5000
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by Wildstyle5000

Got a good deal on a Pinarello F12 x-light frameset (rim brake). Could not let it go! I was inspired by Filippo Ganna. I really like the look of his bike

Frame size is 595, model 2020, color: INEOS (black with white decals).
Plan to build it up with Sram Force AXS, Rotor Inpower Aldhu 50/36, Winspace Hyper wheels 38mm, eebrakes, etc.

Will post the detailed spec including weights as soon as I start the build. Currently waiting for some parts.

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robbosmans
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Love me a Pinarello, why not go for a di2 drivetrain? Will be a lot lighter especially considering it’s an x-light

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by cajer

Also why Chinese wheels, you are already shelling out for a F12 x-light?

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by hannawald

+1 for Di2 - you are mixing x-light, eebrakes ... with heavy groupset:)

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by bruno2000

Really looking forward to this build.
Thinking of one too but with Dura-Ace 9100.
Where did you get the frame?

Wildstyle5000
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by Wildstyle5000

Thanks for the interest in the build. Really appreciated.

Regarding the di2: I consider the current DA a bit outdated with only 11 speed cassette and the wires. Therefore Shimano is no alternative for me. SRAM AXS Force and Red shouldn't be much different weight wise just for the shifters and the front/rear derailleur.

The wheels might be rather "no name" but light and high quality. I consider them advanced from the tech side with the carbon spokes. There are a lot of positive comments/reviews regarding the wheels.

Even a x -light is rather heavy (in size 595). For me it is more about the riding experience/feeling. Weight of the bike is not everything. I believe it will be hard to get it below 7kg. But it anyway makes more sense if the rider would loose 2kg rather than the bike 0.3kg (I currently weight 82kg being 1.93m).

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Its is your build, enjoy it!

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by bruno2000

I understand your point on the Dura-ace 11speed. The new 12v is coming in the summer.
One of the reasons I changed to Campagnolo Super Record 12v for my old-classic Focus Izalco Max rimbrake.
A good suggestion might be to use a Darimo seatpost and a Sram Red AXS chain/cassette to save some weight on the F12?
I kind of did the same thing with my S Works Venge, building it 'on a budget' with Ultegra di2 8070 components with a Dura-Ace cassette, KMC X11sl chain and Rotor Aldhu+ crankset.

Wildstyle5000
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by Wildstyle5000

@bruno2000: agree a red cassette helps to save some weight and it reduces the noise of the drivetrain significantly.

Buildlist incl. weights:
Frame (F12 xlight, rim): 988g (Size 595, incl derailleur hanger)
Fork: 417g (incl crown)
Seatpost (Pinarello xlight): 216g (zero setback)
Headset: 75g (2x bearing, cable rail)
Spacers: 38g (incl. base plate)
Expander Pinarello: 31g (as delivered with the frame)
Seatpost/stem mounting plates: 16g (8g per piece)
Expander plate Pinarello: 15g (carbon)
Garmin Mount Most: 42g
Most Talon Ultra: 347g (420mm/100mm)
Hyper 38mm LRS: 1255g (540g + 715g), incl. tape
Tubolito 60mm: 2x43g
Conti GP 5000 25mm transparent: 423g (210g + 213g)
Quickrelease: 43g (Titanium axles)
Bottle cage: Arundel Mandible: 47g (23g + 24g)
Bottle cage screws (Pinarello): 12g (4x)
Chain SRAM Force: 250g
Shifters SRAM Force: 300g (149g + 151g)
Derailleur SRAM Force: 326g
Front Derailleur SRAM Force: 177g
Cassette SRAM red 10-33: 215g
Handlebar tape BBB: 86g (39g + 39g + 8g), incl plugs
Bottom bracket Shimano Dura Ace ITA: 69g (24mm)
Crank: Rotor Aldhu incl Powermeter 50/36: 825g (363g + 7g + 151g + 133g + 142g + 29g)
Chain catcher Carbon: 3g
Pedales: Shimano Ultegra: 249g
Selle SMP Dynamic (Carbon): 240g
EE Brakes DM: 159g (79g + 80g)
Brake pads: 28g
Brake cables: 26g
Brake cable liners: 65g (17g + 48g)
Sum: 7.075g (Plan)

The Aldhu crankset is using a 24mm spindle and a Rotor Inpower powermeter plus Rotor 50/36 chain rings (no q) The chainrings work perfectly well with the SRAM AXS. No chain drops.

Nevertheless the Aldhu is on the heavy side (e.g. a SRAM red incl powermeter 50/37 weights: 616g). I think about a upgrade, maybe to Rotor Aldhu Carbon (saves 100g). But this would require a change to a 30mm spindle and thus a new bottom bracket.

The set up of the rear eebrake is a bit tricky (due to the brake cable run through the handlebar and frame). So I plan to change to G4.

Will post photos of the bike as soon as possible.

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by mike

a build like the f12 demands quality parts all the way. Replace ultegra and put eps on it and campy wheels or lightweights

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by bruno2000

mike wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:47 pm
a build like the f12 demands quality parts all the way. Replace ultegra and put eps on it and campy wheels or lightweights
I do not see any ultegra?

Wildstyle5000
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by Wildstyle5000

First few pics of the bike, taken during my ride today. Hope the links and the picture work.

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by Belisarius

Wildstyle5000 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:10 pm
Thanks for the interest in the build. Really appreciated.

Regarding the di2: I consider the current DA a bit outdated with only 11 speed cassette and the wires. Therefore Shimano is no alternative for me. SRAM AXS Force and Red shouldn't be much different weight wise just for the shifters and the front/rear derailleur.

The wheels might be rather "no name" but light and high quality. I consider them advanced from the tech side with the carbon spokes. There are a lot of positive comments/reviews regarding the wheels.

Even a x -light is rather heavy (in size 595). For me it is more about the riding experience/feeling. Weight of the bike is not everything. I believe it will be hard to get it below 7kg. But it anyway makes more sense if the rider would loose 2kg rather than the bike 0.3kg (I currently weight 82kg being 1.93m).
"I consider them advanced from the tech side.." They are not. Carbon was ditched by top makers (e.g. DT Swiss) due to fatigue life cycle. Lightweight had its own learning, and evident geometry lessons learned. Even then, their spokes have a finite life. Like all carbon seats, carbon shoes, everything that 'flexes' in the carbon world has a dual fatigue mode- the actual stress on the spokes, and the UV. For reasons that are obvious, the same logic does not apply to carbon seatposts and they thick and round self supporting shape. Take it to an extreme, in F1 carbon support slats fail very easily, sometimes suddenly, as a matter of frequency and vibration. But if you wish, ask Hambini- he will tell you not having the means to do a lifecycle test. Yes, even top brand carbon 'handlebars' fail randomly, hence my swearing by companies such as Deda- which use F1 grade resins and basic carbon material science, nothign too fancy, but they never break...

Winspace Iffy poor bearings (Hambini), and a solid materials, but, on spokes alone, short lifespan. You might not even notice how or when the wheel start flexing, but flexing it will. Those spokes will reach that one too many load cycles, and then start softening... Could be one, two or three seasons tops, or 15,000 kms - seems a recurrign figure for carbon fatigue in cycling materials (except frames). Anyhow, all this to say, nothign beats thos Sapim or DT Swiss cold pressed martensitic steel spokes....

But, take any Specialized S Works saddle, Fizzik or even Selle Italia carbon, squish them when done (and they bend) and asks yourself, if those fail, WHEN (not if) your winspace carbon spokes fail...

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by dudemanppl

bro one bearing is like 10 bucks

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by Wildstyle5000

Did a few changes/updates.
Changed to a Rotor Aldhu Carbon crank and a Rotor Ceramic 30mm ITA bottom bracket.
Additionally I upgraded the wheelset to a Zipp 303 (2021).
The wheelset is roughly 300g more than the previous Hypers 38mm while the Zipps are 45mm), while the Rotor Aldhu Carbon saves around 150g.
The braking with the Zipps is much improved. I have the feeling that the spoke tension of the rear wheel is somewhat low (strange noise when riding out of the saddle).

Current build list:

Frame: 988g (Gr 595, incl. derailleur hanger)
Fork: 417g (incl crown)
Seatpost: 216g (zero setback)
Headset: 75g (2x bearing, cable rail)
Spacers: 38g (incl. base plate)
Expander: 31g
Seatpost/stem mounting plates: 16g (8g per piece)
Expander Plate: 15g
Garmin Mount: Most 42g
Talon ultra: 420g 420/100
Wheels: Zipp 303 1570g (incl. tubeless tape)
Tubes: Tubolito 60mm: 2x43g
Tires: Conti GP 5000 25mm: 423g (210g + 213g)
Quick releases: 43g
Bottle cage: Arundel 47g (23g + 24g)
Bottle cage screws: 12g (all 4)
Chain: Force 250g
Shifters: Force 300g (149g + 151g)
Rear derailleur: Force 326g
Front derailleur: Force 177g
Cassette: Sram Red 10-33 215g
Bar tape: BBB 78g (39g + 39g)
Bottom bracket: Rotor ITA30 Ceramic 82g
Rotor Aldhu Carbon incl. Powermeter 36/50: 676g (253g + 98g + 325g)
Chain catcher carbon: 3,1g
Pedales: Shimano Ultegra 249g
Saddle: Selle SMP Dynamic (Carbon): 240g
Brakes: EE Direct Mount G4: 159g (79g + 78g)
Brake pads: 28g
Brake cables: 26g
Brake liners: 65g (17g + 48g)
Final weight: 7.293g (est.)
Final weight: 7.290g (actual)

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