Wilier Cento 10pro - Custom Paint - 6.80kg

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Yoln
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by Yoln

Finally finished (only handlebar tape and cages are missing at this point).

Wheights 7.65 with pedals, computer mount and Garmin edge 130 (without handlebar tape and cages).
Update Sept 5: Now weighs 6.80kg with pedals, cages and computer after few updates.

I had several requirements I wanted to meet on this build:

- Fully integrated cabling (except for the rear deraileur small part)
- Mechanical shifting
- Disc brakes

That was not the easiest path, and I had to work on some custom metal pieces (see below) to make all the cable-routing fitting while keeping the shifting smooth. Even though I knew none of these requirements would bring the weight of the bike down, I am bit desapointed by the final weight as I was expecting something closer to 7.3kg. But I still have two major updates (120gr to shave on the saddle and 95g on the cassette, currently a Chorus 11-32 that I'll swap for a Super-record 11-29) which should bring the final weight sub 7.5kg.

Probably switching to tubulars would be the best way to bring the weight significantly down at this point, probably on the v2 of the built.

For the parts:
- Willier Cento 10 pro frame with custom paint by Ben Falcon
- Willier Alabarda stem-handlebar
- Campy super record groupset with h11 hydraulic levers
- 160 rear and front rotors
- Quarq D-Zero power-meter crankset with 172.5mm carbon arms and 52-36 SRAM red chainrings
- selle Itlaia SLR titanium saddle (temporary, Berk Lupina is in the mail)
- Roval CLX 40 clincher wheels
- Michelin Aircomp Ultra Light tubes
- Vittoria Corsa G2.0 28mm tyres
- Fizik tempo 2mm bar tape
- Look Keo Blade Carbon clips

Happy to have some suggestions on how to shave some more grams.

Regarding the building process, we started with a design drawing and a red frame:
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All of the sanding and paint job is to be attributed to Ben Falcon (you can check out his work here www.benfalcon.com and https://www.instagram.com/benfalconpaint/ , he's mostly working with Horse Cycles, a Brooklyn based steel frame builder...)

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I wanted to have a texturized matte charcoal paint that would somehow look like it was a steel frame powder coated. First using a texturized fine metal color layer (there is actually shades of blue pearl in the charcoal color that are difficult to render in indoors photos...), then adding a matte coating.

Here after the first layer, before matte coating:

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Finally, adding the matte coating to get the desired texture:

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Then, I had to fight several battles with the routing, the biggest one was the fact that the Alabarda system (despite what Wilier assured me before I bought the frame) is not designed to receive 2 hydraulic cables + 2 shifting cables, at most maybe 2 hydraulic ones and 1 shifting. I had to drill/carve the metal and plastic spacer/stem pieces to make the routing work:

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And finally here she is:

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gerryc89
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by gerryc89

How is the braking and shifting performance?

Gorgeous build

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Yoln
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by Yoln

Thanks!

Can't really say for the braking yet, I just went around the block so far and won't go ride anytime soon in NYC I believe. There is no rubbing sound for now, which took me long enough to tune. But shifting is pretty smooth on the trainer, as good as my ultegra 6800 I'd say, more on the crisp clunky side since it's campagnolo, but smooth
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by nestornnk

That is a wonderful bike.The color is perfect

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by JMeinholdt

Beautiful bike. I'm not super keen on the textured finish, but it sure does look nice. I'm pretty fond of the orange/ramato accents on yours.

I have a Cento10AIR rim brake with Ultegra Di2 and it's bang on 7.45kg pretty much straight out of the box except a set of 50mm carbon clinchers, carbon Fizik saddle, and SRAM RED 11-28 cassette. Pedals and computer mount included.
Wilier Cento10AIR Rim Brake - SRAM Force AXS
3T Exploro 105 - Gravel/Commuter/Trainer

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Yoln
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by Yoln

Thanks,

That actually checks out, probably saving a lot on the rim brake version and electronic shifting. Also I have a very heavy cassette on it at the moment...
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Yoln
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by Yoln

Finally received all of the parts for the upgrade, and also decided to remove the Close The Gap Garmin mount that was adding a heavy 102g to the built.

Here is a detail of the upgrades:

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Saving an amazing 310g on cassette + saddle, not to mention that the Berk might actually be the most comfortable saddle I have ever tested after a couple hours on the trainer.

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Now the built is at 7.35kg with cages pedals and Garmin, and 6.95kg once I remove all of those (Quarq Power Meter included), pretty happy with this finally weight given the discs and clincher (28mm) choices.

Final pic, still haven't been able to take one outdoors...

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rlanger
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by rlanger

Beautiful ride and a very nice build too.

What colour is that bar tape? It looks blue in the photos, but I can't imagine that you would choose anything other than black.

Nixster
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by Nixster

Looks fantastic, probably my favourite aero frame and striking paint job!
Couple of suggestions for saving weight - swap out the Red chain rings, they’re heavy and Praxis will save about 30g and still shift well, or BOR if you can find them are lighter again. Extralite lighter still but mixed rep.
Second, most people don’t include the weight of their Garmin in quoted weights, free saving right there 😀

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by PinaRene

It looks great , love the colours .... but without spacers like in the design it looks a lot better.

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by Yoln

rlanger wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:57 am
What colour is that bar tape? It looks blue in the photos...
yes, it's blue, an attempt was made to match with the blue shades of the paint, it looks a bit better in sunlight, but I'm moving back to black handelbartape very soon, can't be right all the time!

Also, this is the Fizik superlight 2mm perforated handelbartape. I really like the external leather-like perforated texture, specially when climbing or when very sweaty. But I still find the tape pretty bulky. Would you know a bar tape that has the same leather-like perforated finish but with an even thinner padding?
Nixster wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:22 am
Looks fantastic, probably my favourite aero frame and striking paint job!
Couple of suggestions for saving weight ...
Haha, thanks, I'll keep the Garmin idea in mind. Regarding chairing, I believe (that's what I found on the interenet, haven't weighed them before mounting) mine are 127g for the 52T and 28g for the 36t (155g total), so if I go for the Stronglight CT2 I'm looking at 77g and 33g (110g total) so about 45g saving total, that's correct? Not too bad at all! Especially with the additional 45-ish grams comming from new Ti spindles on the pedals, that's another 100g that's gonna be saved here.
PinaRene wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:46 pm
It looks great , love the colours .... but without spacers like in the design it looks a lot better.
Thanks! We're getting there, but just wanted to keep it an open discussion before a bike fitting that was supposed to happen two month ago, but I guess now it won't happen until after covid has calmed down here... Anyways, should be much less spacers in the very final version!
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by mike

Looks great but am not in favor of a textured paint for a bike or car or motorbike. I leave that for ceilings

Yoln
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by Yoln

mike wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:15 am
Looks great but am not in favor of a textured paint for a bike or car or motorbike. I leave that for ceilings
Haha, appreciate the honest truth. I had an initial messy idea about it, trying the replicate the aspect of a powder spayed metal paint, then starting to talk with Ben falcon he started to get excited about trying the texturized texture on a bike for the first time, so we did it. Overall I like it, I was worried about cleaning a bit, but after a messy ride in the rain last week it was very easy to clean
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by bencolem

Sorry, I don't get it, looks like you've sprayed it with a truck bedliner! The stays and down tube logo are stunning though. Did you weigh the frame before and after? That paint must have added over 100g?

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bencolem wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:02 am
Sorry, I don't get it, looks like you've sprayed it with a truck bedliner! The stays and down tube logo are stunning though. Did you weigh the frame before and after? That paint must have added over 100g?
Didn't weighed the bare frame, just the original painted and the finished. We actually saved some weight compared to the original paint (3grams haha!)
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