Pinarello F12 Rim brake build

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Boshk
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by Boshk

fogman wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:33 am
I have a Berk clamp on my F10. Why is it no longer being sold? Hopefully not a safety issue.


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I believe Jure said they want to concentrate more on their main products, but I did recently email him directly about whether he still had leftover stock of the clamp and if it would fit a F12.
Reply: Yes and yes
I bought a 2nd Lupina and the clamp.
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Original F12 clamp is below
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Lupina Padded, claimed 99g, actual 101g.....according to my scale 2% increase
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Boshk
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by Boshk

Still waiting on parts but its finally built.
Isn't as light as I thought but then again I knew that.

Mechanical did NOT work, at least I couldn't get it to work. Hope this helps whoever is thinking about it.

Installed a Campagnolo Chorus groupset on it using Most stem and a standard handlebar.

2 main issues came out:
1st was the spacer adapter for the cables to run internally.....its hard and sharp which basically started to strip the brake housing cover....I tested it a few times turning my handlebar and I could see it eating all the way to the cable itself
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2nd issue: On my workstand, shifting was good but once on the ground while turning the handlebar, the FD would self shift....yes....self shift each time I turned the bar. There is actually no extra cabling room like a 'standard' bike

So I threw that out and went di2.
Campy 12 spd EPS would have been ideal but for that price, I could equipped both my C60 and F12 with DA R9150 di2 AND Favero Assioma duo......(prices based on the Black Friday stuff....tomorrow!)

Boshk
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by Boshk

Finally its built, still got some parts coming though.
Weigh based on the below specs 6.95kg
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Frame size 50 rim brake
Enduro XD15 bb
Most Talon Ultra 90mm 40cm (c-c)
Most iTalon Ultra mount
Lizard 1.8mm bar tape
Dura Ace R9100 Crankset 170mm, 50/34
Dura Ace di2 Shifters
Dura Ace Direct mount brakes
Ultegra R8050 di2 FD
Ultegra R8050 di2 RD medium cage
Ultegra R8000 11-32 cassette
KMC X11 EL chain
Berk Lupina Padded saddle
Berk F12 saddle clamp
Campagnolo Bora Ultra 50 tubular
Vittoria Corsa G+ 25mm tubs (glue application)
Lightweight skewers
1x Elite Vico Carbon cage
Garmin cadence sensor
Wahoo Speed sensor
Look Keo Max 2 pedals

Can probably reduce the weight more by replacing a few items
Front and Rear di2 derailleur with DA.....90g....not sure if RD will run a 11-32 though
Ultegra 11-32 with SRAM XG1190 11-32......should save about 100g
KMC X11 chain with PYC chain??
Elite Vico cage with Tune 9g cage

DaveChow
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by DaveChow

Congratulations on the final build!

This is a beautiful bike with weight below 7kg. Very good indeed given the frame weight.

What is the saddle height? The outlook has a very good proportion of the saddle and stack height!

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bruno2000
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by bruno2000

Nice build.
Just one detail it's a pitty Pinarello did not made an effort to match the red color on the handlebar with the more dark red of the frame.
For my taste I would also choose a complete black handlebar. and bartape.

KCookie
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by KCookie

Boshk wrote:Finally its built, still got some parts coming though.
Weigh based on the below specs 6.95kg
IMG_20191127_150902.jpg
Frame size 50 rim brake
Enduro XD15 bb
Most Talon Ultra 90mm 40cm (c-c)
Most iTalon Ultra mount
Lizard 1.8mm bar tape
Dura Ace R9100 Crankset 170mm, 50/34
Dura Ace di2 Shifters
Dura Ace Direct mount brakes
Ultegra R8050 di2 FD
Ultegra R8050 di2 RD medium cage
Ultegra R8000 11-32 cassette
KMC X11 EL chain
Berk Lupina Padded saddle
Berk F12 saddle clamp
Campagnolo Bora Ultra 50 tubular
Vittoria Corsa G+ 25mm tubs (glue application)
Lightweight skewers
1x Elite Vico Carbon cage
Garmin cadence sensor
Wahoo Speed sensor
Look Keo Max 2 pedals

Can probably reduce the weight more by replacing a few items
Front and Rear di2 derailleur with DA.....90g....not sure if RD will run a 11-32 though
Ultegra 11-32 with SRAM XG1190 11-32......should save about 100g
KMC X11 chain with PYC chain??
Elite Vico cage with Tune 9g cage
DA 9150 RD and 11-32 Sram cassette works fine.

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badoherty
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by badoherty

Congrats on your build- looks great. Any thoughts on how it rides?

Boshk
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by Boshk

KCookie wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:03 am
Boshk wrote:Finally its built, still got some parts coming though.
Weigh based on the below specs 6.95kg
IMG_20191127_150902.jpg

Frame size 50 rim brake........................

Can probably reduce the weight more by replacing a few items
Front and Rear di2 derailleur with DA.....90g....not sure if RD will run a 11-32 though
Ultegra 11-32 with SRAM XG1190 11-32......should save about 100g
KMC X11 chain with PYC chain??
Elite Vico cage with Tune 9g cage
DA 9150 RD and 11-32 Sram cassette works fine.

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Thanks. I guess if I really want to be a ww, I should replace the 3 parts FD, RD and cassette.......total weigh saving 28g+43g+96g=167g
That would bring the bike below UCI :mrgreen: 6.78kg

Initial concern was this, which was why I didn't go down the sram cassette route
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Boshk
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by Boshk

badoherty wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:38 pm
Congrats on your build- looks great. Any thoughts on how it rides?
Thanks.
I'm just a casual rider, the bike exceeds all my abilities and I don't have anything much to compare it with, just my C60 (7.6kg) and its still early days.
I've only ridden it once.....so at the moment, its probably all in my head.

It isn't as 'harsh' as people state it to be and I'm on a Berk padded Lupina saddle.

Its definitely stiff, accelerates nicely, very fast but stable on descent. I feel its actually faster on descents, it accelerates quicker and continues to gain speed but I think that been proved due its it aero features.
Hard to compare a traditional lugged frame C60 to an aero featured frame.

The Talon Ultra bar is surprising very comfortable. The top with its flat section is better than standard round bar.

I'm waiting for my Assioma pedals, then I can get some data on my regular route and see.
Keeping my C60 so I can compare. Wheels can be interchanged since I'm running 11-32 on both.

badoherty
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by badoherty

Thanks for the review. I wish you good health to enjoy.

And thanks for posting info on the cable integration- very helpful. From looking at the spacers in your photos it looks like it would not be possible to slam the stem?

1sanglier
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by 1sanglier

Very nice !
2 questions:
- what is it under the stem ?
- you have the specific Most computer support ?
Thanks

Boshk
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by Boshk

badoherty wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:40 pm
Thanks for the review. I wish you good health to enjoy.

And thanks for posting info on the cable integration- very helpful. From looking at the spacers in your photos it looks like it would not be possible to slam the stem?
You can slam it. I have 3cm of spacers, most likely will reduce the spacer over time.
1sanglier wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:41 pm
Very nice !
2 questions:
- what is it under the stem ?
- you have the specific Most computer support ?
Thanks
Under stem=3cm of spacers
Under bar/Out front= Most iTalon Ultra mount.......the mounting screw suck....they don't fit/thread into the bar. I had to reuse the shorter screws that came with the bar and loctite, so far so good, at least it hasn't fallen off.
I don't think K-edge has a mount for it yet, your only other option to mount a computer is the rubber band+mount plate on the stem portion.

1sanglier
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by 1sanglier

Under stem=3cm of spacers
Under bar/Out front= Most iTalon Ultra mount.......the mounting screw suck....they don't fit/thread into the bar. I had to reuse the shorter screws that came with the bar and loctite, so far so good, at least it hasn't fallen off.
I don't think K-edge has a mount for it yet, your only other option to mount a computer is the rubber band+mount plate on the stem portion.
Under the stem , in front of spacer.
No there is only Most computer supprt for the iTalon for the moment :(

Boshk
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by Boshk

1sanglier wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:43 pm
Under stem=3cm of spacers
Under bar/Out front= Most iTalon Ultra mount.......the mounting screw suck....they don't fit/thread into the bar. I had to reuse the shorter screws that came with the bar and loctite, so far so good, at least it hasn't fallen off.
I don't think K-edge has a mount for it yet, your only other option to mount a computer is the rubber band+mount plate on the stem portion.
Under the stem , in front of spacer.
No there is only Most computer supprt for the iTalon for the moment :(
haha, well spotted, its a bell. I'm trying to find a smaller bell, its only there for local regulation, they like to dish out $40 tickets to cyclists who don't have a bell and rear red reflector.

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Mep
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by Mep

That's pretty funny, it's incredible that local officials would enforce that. Where are you located?

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