Flexible Dentist: 5.7kg Dogma Think 2

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Imaking20
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Another day, another inch of rain in the PNW, and another build...

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Keep dreaming :P

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How much does this frame cost now? I am def interested in getting one. The curves are too sexy
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I bought it used. Cost depends on what you can find it for in your chosen size and color!
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How's the right chainstay look, close to where the crank rings might touch it. I worked on one of these and the flex was such that regardless of which groupset we used, it flexed so much that the rings would always gouge the chainstay, despite the rather heavy duty "protector" they put on it. Went through a couple. This was with a heavier, and quite powerful, rider however. Still, the flex seemed to be more than what I would like to see in that area.
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Calnago wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:47 pm
How's the right chainstay look, close to where the crank rings might touch it. I worked on one of these and the flex was such that regardless of which groupset we used, it flexed so much that the rings would always gouge the chainstay, despite the rather heavy duty "protector" they put on it. Went through a couple. This was with a heavier, and quite powerful, rider however. Still, the flex seemed to be more than what I would like to see in that area.
Thats not somthing a guy with a new frame wants to hear. Hopfully its not an issue.

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No, of course it isn’t. But if it does turn out it’s flexing enough that the chainrings are chewing up the chainstay protector, at least he’ll know it’s not an adjustment issue. The problem was that although the actual chainstay wasn’t too badly damaged at all, the protector they use in that exact spot got so chewed up that the loose ragged edges of it would “tick” on the chainrings creating a very annoying ticking sound while pedaling.
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by Imaking20

That's pretty crazy!

The frame is still making it's way to me - I borrowed this photo from the seller. Looking at his other photos, I don't see any sort of blemishes on the chainstay protector. He was also very detailed in his descriptions and I'd be surprised if he omitted something like that. Still, pretty shocking to hear that happen on such a portly frame! And surprising considering some big wattage dudes rode these on Sky... But I know well enough at this point to understand they could well have been riding a different layup.

Nonetheless, I bought this bike to cruise. Something with a little more comfort than the Wilier (which is not a bad ride by any stretch of the imagination) and makes me feel less compelled to smash around everywhere. Honestly, I've been polarized by these bikes over the year and usually leaned out of favor. I saw this frame though and LOVE the aesthetic of all white.

Anywho, a saving grace for me (which greatly improves the likelihood of this bike sticking around) is I won't need to wait on parts to show up. All I needed was a bottom bracket and it's already arrived.

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I spent over a month with the last two builds waiting for one random part or another. It's not a fact I'm proud of - but my neuroticism this time of year just doesn't deal well with that. All the rain does crazy things to my brain!
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Yours is a smaller size as well, right? That should work in your favor. I do like the white and black of the frame. It built up really nice. I also like white frames a lot. Maybe this particular frame was just weak in a certain area as I’ve not heard of that being an issue in general, or at all, with these frames. I just thought I’d ask out of curiosity due to the experience I had with one.
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53cm. Fingers crossed for a frame that's not a noodle! And hopefully not 1400g :lol:
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Had a dogma 2, definitely not flexy. Had no problem with the drive side getting chewed up even putting out some pretty high watts.

Probably my benchmark for ride quality of carbon frames. It was nicer than the f8 I had.

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Imaking20 wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:51 am
Another day, another inch of rain in the PNW
Not felt the influence of nearby Jan Heine to get yourself one of these?
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Apparently Honjo mudguards are made of magic and once you put them on you'll never notice the rain ever again. WW as well, ~400-450g :wink:

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Been there, done that, pass. I'd rather spend my time on Zwift and in the gym these days - rather than spending 30 minutes getting dressed for a ride to trash my gear.
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My bad earlier. I was talking about the Dogma2, which is different than the Think2. Same shape and all, but the Dogma2 uses 60.1 carbon and the Think2 uses 65.1 carbon. Not sure how they use it, or how much different it is, but they are not quite the same frames.
Here's a pic of the area I was talking about susceptible to gouging by the chainrings... it was originally brought to me to get rid of an annoying "tick". Traced it to a tattered up protector (silver piece on the chainstay at the closest point to contact with the small chainring). Figured it must have just been a freak incident that it got badly chewed up, probably chain suck or something, so just got a new protector and installed it. But that one got tattered up as well, and it wasn't from chain suck. Just seemed to be enough flex there that the chainring could rub under certain conditions...
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by Imaking20

Eeesh! Looks like a pretty bike though!
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