Third Time's a Charm: Litespeed T3

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KarlC
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by KarlC

For the love of Ti !

There is a post on PL on the ride quality of Ti vs Carbon, with some saying you cant really tell the differance and that most everthing ealse makes a much bigger difference that the frame.

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=237688

https://www.cervelo.com/en/ride-quality

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Got my first ride on it today, did the Rose Bowl ride and got in about 75 miles tonight. Took a handful of 450w pulls on the backside to establish the break but spent the next 45 minutes in a small break that somehow grew over time (people kept jumping in...poor form). All I can say is man I missed this bike.

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by godzuki26

You probably covered this already but what was it about the Litespeed T1SL that you did not like? The handling? Was it too stiff? Maybe too fancy? None the less, it is nice to see the T3 reborn again. So, 4th time a charm? Haha
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My best guess is that it's the goldilocks paradox where the amount of flex in the BB area on the T1sl was outside the range of juuussst right. It could be due to the 6/4 tubing as the tube shaping didn't seem too much different in the rear from the T3. But in the end, by being stiffer it lost some of its liveliness that is characteristic of good Ti. However it wasn't as stiff as carbon so it was in no man's land which felt worse than if it was on the flexier side of things. With all this being said, I also sold it at a point in the year where I was overtrained and burnt out so it's also probable that my efforts were done in poor form while I was riding carbon back to back and it magnified the perception. So bear that in mind.

I think the T1sl looked slightly better, particularly in my size. Everything else about the bike was great. It rode nicely and was very calm descending. I just didn't mesh with it for some reason and I can't quite put my finger on it other than the overall perception of flex without the accompanied liveliness was what pressed in my mind more and more as it came closer to selling it.

I have the Classic which is definitely lacking in HT stiffness but it feels so great to ride otherwise so as long as I don't take it out on balls to the walls effort type of rides, I am completely enamored with it.

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Sram eTap? I had thought you have given up on Sram.

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I have, but like a junkie needing a fix, my local dealer only had eTap on hand so I bought it...cause I was in a hurry. EeBrakes pair well with eTap though, much better than 9150 and shifting with the XG-1190 11-28 cassette works. So, there's a silver lining I suppose.

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by shuttlenote

Was really hoping to see it debuted as PEE. How many decals do you have on hand lol!

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by nickf

How does that t3 compare to the ultimate? Any experience on the ultimate?

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Ryan how many times did you dump your girlfriend before you married her?
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Hold on while I count...

LOL, no, hobbies are the only part of my life that I'm like this. In the past it was photography and firearms, but I use hobbies as a mental distraction/break from near round the clock work. My insanity in hobbies keeps me sane in the rest of my life.
nickf wrote:How does that t3 compare to the ultimate? Any experience on the ultimate?
I've never had an Ultimate so I don't know.

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My first Ti bike was the original Litespeed Ultimate, one of those ridden by the LA Sheriff pro team. It has a really short wheelbase and it’s really a crit bike with stiffness best suited for a powerful sprinter. I didn’t know any better at the time and I wanted the same bike as what the pros were riding. It beat the crap out of me but the bike looked great, haha. I don’t know much about the current Ultimates but I assume it’s still a bike designed for sprinting.


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by owlbass

RyanH wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 5:39 am
Got my first ride on it today, did the Rose Bowl ride and got in about 75 miles tonight. Took a handful of 450w pulls on the backside to establish the break but spent the next 45 minutes in a small break that somehow grew over time (people kept jumping in...poor form). All I can say is man I missed this bike.

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I think that’s a Darimo post. What do you think of it? Also, how long until you put EPS 12 speed on?

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I am almost ordered EPS 12 and then I did the math on weight, it was depressing. Without checking my build sheet I think it was 268g heavier than Di2 when factoring in the cassette.

Right now, eTap is my lightest option since Di2 feels like crap with ee and won't shift the XG-1190 11-28 cassette so while eTap shift group is heavier than Di2, I can run eeBrakes and an, xg Cassette which makes the system weight lower. Since I have it, I'll see how I get along with it. I did have some numbness in the hand and forearm on my Thursday ride. When I had the first crumpton, I had eTap and couldn't get rid of the numbness issue. We'll see.

Regarding the Darimo post, I'll report back after the week. The only thing I can say is that it's little finnicky to setup since it uses a regular taper head bolt that you have to twist with your fingers, but now that I think about it, it's better than my mcfk post which required taking the saddle off to change the height of the front clamp.

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When I was running 9070 it shifted perfectly with XG-1190 11-28. Perhaps you could have just gotten a 9070 RD and everything would be just fine. Or just get a Dura Ace 11-28 if you can get used to not having the 16 cog...

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by oldturd

Gosh this bike must be that good.. even your Focus is exiting your stable!

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