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Why did you go from 9150 to SR? For the sake of weight savings or brake clearance? The entire Pro peloton is practically running 9150.


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Because he is a Campy tragic ;)

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pdlpsher1 wrote:Why did you go from 9150 to SR? For the sake of weight savings or brake clearance? The entire Pro peloton is practically running 9150.


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It's only 20g or so less than 9150 and 9100 brakes have a lot more clearance.

For me, it came down to brake feel and ergonomics. I know 9100 brakes are more powerful but I think the overall feel of Campy braking is better. But more importantly, I tend to get numbness with 9150 during hard efforts. It was pretty bad last summer which lead me to ditching the first Crumpton. On that bike I had already gone through eTap and 9150 and wasn't in the mood to experiment with EPS. It really needs to be revamped, a tad behind the times. Anyway, I was still getting the occasional numbness on this bike and I think it has to do with how the Campy levers curve in, which causes my elbow to rotate and blood flows better.

Plus, trying to go back down to one bike my rule was always, if only one bike it has to be mechanical. If something breaks, I can visually identify it immediately, buy and replacement that day and usually not miss a day of riding. Di2 is not quite the case and could ruin a cycling holiday.

With all that being said, being back on mechanical, the struggle is real having to throw the lever so far to shift up the cassette #majorfwp.
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pdlpsher1 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:31 am
Why did you go from 9150 to SR? For the sake of weight savings or brake clearance? The entire Pro peloton is practically running 9150.


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Pro bikes are definitely not the gold standard- too many compromises due to sponsorship and regulations. Plus SR mech is the greatest groupset ever made :lol:

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Interesting comment on the numbness. I also get numbness on my Shimano-grouped bikes. Not sure what's going on but it got to the point I can't even shift the Di2 levers, lol. But I seriously doubt changing a lever shape will cure my problem. I alternate between differnt hand positions to no avail. The numbness persists on every ride.

On the mechanical vs. electric debate. I have a mechanical group on my tandem. Just the other day I was left with only three gears on the right shifter. I made it home OK and it turned out to be a shift cable that almost broke. If it had been broken it would be a difficult ride home with only the small small gear combination. Many years ago I did lose the shifting on the right shifter on a Di2 after I hit a bit pothole. But I learned the culprit (no slack in the Di2 cable near the shifter) and this problem won't happen again. I just learned a guy riding a double century (Diglloyd) had the same thing happen and he had to ride 134mi. on the big ring only. But once you figure out these nuiances I think the chance of an electronic group failure is very very remote.

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by ericoschmitt

Why those heavy brakes!? KCNC makes some cheap and not so expensive stuff. Could shave 140g on that alone.

And why not Extralite UltraTop to go with the bottom? would shave another 35 possibly.

Finally, PowerCordz Swift can save maybe another 35. Total 210g in 3 itens...

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@ericoschmitt

If you start through this thread in the beginning you'd see that I've had nearly every boutique part on this build at one point. What's on it now is a culmination of 5 years experience with the lightest parts and what works as well as generally accepted heavy parts and what doesn't.

Brakes. I've had THM Fibulas which are the 2nd lightest brakes you can get. They had very good power but the tiniest bit of grit from rain would cause them to seize and not release. I then had eeBrakes on (I actually think I've had 3 pairs on this bike) but this time around I have been yearning for better braking after having been on 9100 brakes and Super Record for awhile. Super Record brakes are 235g all in with the tuned pad holders, only a 65g penalty over ee and they have better power, modulation and feel than ee.

Headset. I've told everyone this whenever I get a chance but do not buy the extralite upper, it will cut your fork over time. It wears a groove into the fork since they use a non clamping type collar that interfaces with the fork steerer. I have a Cane Creek Slamset which saves 22g over the CK upper and is probably only a 10g penalty over the extralite.

Powercordz Swift. LOL, no.

For the most part, there isn't a single component that I'd be willing to swap for something lighter on my bike. Maybe Schmolke Evo bars but other than that I'm pretty much maxed out on this bike as far as upgrades go.
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Function vs efames.... who have you become

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My top cap is clicking on my stem, has anyone else dealt with this and have a resolution? I want to say it's only happening with the Specialized stem (and yes, everything was torqued down correctly with a torque wrench).

Also, does anyone know if the new Campy black ano'd barrel adjusters are the same shape as the old? If so, how would I go about ordering that part?
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Not sure what you mean by your top cap?... you meant the top cap above your stem that sets the preload, or the top cover of your headset? Kind of assuming you mean the top cap above your stem. Well, there’s movement between parts somewhere thats causing it. Maybe a light smear of grease on the mating edges of the cap and stem or where any spacers meet might help, but if everything is locked down it’s hard to imagine where the click is coming from. How about your compression plug in the steertube?

Re the barrel adjusters, are you talking about the in-line cable adjuster for the front derailleur of actual barrel adjusters that screw into the cable stops on your frame? I didn’t even know there were “new” ones available.
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Sorry, should have clarified.

Noise is definitely coming from the top cop (the one above the stem) as loosening it makes it go away. What is more or less concerning is that the only way for noise to happen is if there's movement and I don't feel like the stem should be moving.

Regarding the barrel adjuster, I meant the black brake cable adjusters on the new brakes.
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Oh, the brake cable adjusters. You mean the 12sp Group version. Good luck in finding those as a separate item. I was laughed at when trying to get a complete brake set, separate from the whole group, at this time.

That stem is really light right? How much steertube do you have in the stem stack? All the way through. Is the top cap kind of light, thin and flimsy. Need I go on? Is the steertube carbon? If so, be very carful torquing down the stem as the edges can create stress risers on the steertube. Not sure of your stem’s design but those are things I pay particular attention to with lightweight materials around the steertube. Can you try a different too just to try to isolate where the tick actually is coming from. How do you know it’s definitely coming from the top cap itself.
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It's 134g, which I'd put in the mid-weight category but the clicking happens with all top caps, even the FSA all in one. It could be just that the Specialized stem is poorly designed as I don't recall having the problem with the Pro Vibe stem or even, gasp, the 80g Ax stem.
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The Ex's. LS Siena: 6.21kg | Parlee Z5 SLi: 5.9kg | LS Xicon: 5.76kg | C59: 5.7kg | Cervelo R5ca: 5.09kg | Fuji Altamira SE - 6.2kg | Scott Foil - 6.2kg | Evo - 5.18kg | LS Classic - 6.7kg | The Crumpton - 5.9kg

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Hmmm... got me... hope there isn’t s crack somewhere. How about the compression ring at the headset and fork? Ok? Hard to say otherwise without being there. But ticks are annoying. Find it. And kill it!
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Could it be your iLinks creaking? Mine do it and I thought it was a headset issue too, until I took off the bars and realised they made the same sound independently of the frame. Unless you aren't using I links anymore... :noidea:
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