My AX Lightness Vial Evo D 4.585 kg Build

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AUOC1OC6
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by AUOC1OC6

Hi All,
New to this forum. After months of research, I have decided to go with the AX Vial Evo D for a weight weenie build instead of a Look 795 Aerolight for an aero build. Like to use this forum to document and share my build as a trial. To begin with, here's the present from Germany after an almost 2 months wait but it is well worth the wait. Gathered most of the components through ebay and other online sources. :) No idea where I will end up weight-wise but am aiming for 5kg or thereabouts. :welcome: any comments and suggestions!
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by burglarboycie

Welcome to the forum.
Looking forward to seeing this build progress. Any chance you can give us a frame weight?
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by Lighti

Welcome! Nice Frame. I'm looking forward to See the Full builded Bike


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by Martin1977

And the most important question: WHAT ARE THE WEIGHTS?

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AUOC1OC6
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by AUOC1OC6

Frame size is 54cm (M) with a claim weight of 680g. Geometry and weight from AX Lightness below:-

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by jimaizumi

This should get very interesting....

Looking forward to the final build... :welcome:
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by timjerome

Interested to see how this one turn out, frame looks very nice!!

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by KCookie

Awesome frame, actual weight is ??? What components are you going to use. !!

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by AUOC1OC6

After I decided to go with a weight weenie build instead of going for an aero build using Look 795 Aerolight, I had wanted to build a Lightweight Urgestalt until I came across AX Lightness Vial EVO. The Vial EVO's frame is so much more delicated and well-finished than the Urgestalt. It would have been nice to have an Urgestalt to frame my Meilenstein wheels like the Lightweight's slogan! :D

But, if I am going to spend thousands of Euros on an überbike's frame, I would prefer the idea of my frame to be hand-built by artisan or be manufactured by trained technicians in a high tech European facility with proper labour conditions and benefits instead of somewhere in Taiwan, China or as Lightweight's trade literature puts it:" Far East"...an OEM somewhere in Asia!

Oh and the Urgestalt is 790g whilst the Vial Evo is 680g for a size 54.

It would be nice to build a Vial EVO Ultra but I find it hard to justify spending an extra €2,000 for a claimed weight saving of 60g only. Admittedly, Vial EVO Ultra does have CeramicSpeed BB as standard. It will be easier and cheaper to save the 60g elsewhere.

I intend this build to be an exercise in researching what the best carbon and lightweight part I can find for each component and it won't be a straight "AX for everything" build!
For those interested, See below for a side to side comparison of a Lightweight Urgestalt and an AX Lightness Vial EVO D:-
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by Martin1977

I can see, that You still don't have frame fitted with other components. Can You put it on scale and post REAL weights? I'm curious what are real versus claimed weights. Usually AX Lightness is quite accurate with their weights, but I'm curious :-)
And I think that other members would like to see real weights as well.

Martin

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Hi, just weighted the frame. It's 715g including a new pair of CeramicSpeed BB but excluding headset and derailleur hanger. The BB is 40g. Hence, frame alone is 675g. 5g below the claimed 680g for a size 54.
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by AUOC1OC6

BTW, For those interested, AX Lightness states that the BB is a BB386 in its specification but it will not take the standard 386 BB with sleeve. I replaced the factory stock steel BB with a standard Ceramicspeed BB30 as follows:-

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by KCookie

I have an Urgestalt, but I've got my eye on your build as I'm thinking of changing to the same frame as yours. The THM fork should be lighter as well, my Lightweight fork was 313g cut. !!!

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by AUOC1OC6

Mmm.. The Vial EVO D's uncut THM Scapula CT fork with expander and 300mm steerer tube is 310g. The claimed weight by THM is 295g with uncut 300mm steerer tube.

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by AUOC1OC6

Here is the list of small parts that come with the VIAL EVO D frame:-

  • Factory stock steel bearing BB 47g
  • Seat clamp 6g
  • Cable covers and plugs 6g
  • Derailleur hanger 11g
  • Stock FSA headset 46g
  • Ahead cap & screw 6g

So I saved about 7g using the CeramicSpeed BB30. Will try to find a better headset rather than the factory FSA stock. Will probably use a carbon screw-less ahead cap to save the need to use screw and expander.

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AUOC1OC6
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AX Lightness Vial Evo D http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=138599
Corima Puma
Giant MCR 2 (retired)
Trek Y Glide Deluxe MTB

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