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Wasn't it called BigFoot?? That one has been around for a few years now
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that's exactly what i meant by saying Tune isn't ultralight anymore: 412g for crankarms is a loooong way from ultralight. rememeber Storck Powerarms weigh 100g less...

same with the seatpost and stem.

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At least their QR's are still among the lightest :wink:
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ok, i try to make a spec sheet for that Tune Scale:

frameset: Scale size S....950g
fork: SID Worldcup 2004......1340g
headset: FSA semi-ntegrated.......80g
stem: Tune ca. 120mm.......150g
handlebar: Schmolke TLO.......80g
bar ends: Tune........61g
shiftlever: SRAM X.O.......175g
brakes: Magura Martha SL (Stans Al-rotors)........603g
wheelset: Tune skyline.......1390g
skewers: Tune......51g
rimstrip:........10g
inner tube: Maxxis Flyweight.....160g
tire: Maxxis 310...........620g
BB: Tune sixpack...........139g
crankarms: Tune..........412g (incl. bolts)
chainring bolts: Al...........21g
chainrings: Tune......ca. 120g
pedals: Keywin Ti.........223g
front derailleur: XTR E-type..........117g
rear derailleur: SRAM X.O............200g
chain: KMC X10 SL?..........230g
cassette: 12-27 Al?.............114
saddle/seatpost: Tune integral............ca. 150g
seatpost clamp: Tune QR..............ca. 35g
shift cables: ..........ca.60g

total: 7491g......i guess i'm pretty close in my guesses!

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nino wrote:that's exactly what i meant by saying Tune isn't ultralight anymore: 412g for crankarms is a loooong way from ultralight. rememeber Storck Powerarms weigh 100g less...

same with the seatpost and stem.


well, the tune stem never was very light and as for the seatpost - it still IS one of the lighter ones.

and talking of their cranks, you shouldn't forget about the price when comparing them with powerarms...
for 200euro-cranks the tunes are still quite ok in terms of weight (ok, my older bigfoots are with 388g more ok than those sixpacked ones with 412g). well, it's easy to save 100g here - you just have to pay at least twice as much. (damn! if i'd only remember the guy that allways told people they were comparing apples and... damn it! what, the fukk, was his name?! ;) )

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oh, these over400gram-tunes are with bolts. how much are the bolts then?

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teutscher wrote:oh, these over400gram-tunes are with bolts. how much are the bolts then?

will be around 10-15g i guess;)

we weren't debating about the prices. just weight and that's where Tune most of the time isn't leading anymore.

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Correct, prices are irrelevant :wink:
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nino wrote:
teutscher wrote:oh, these over400gram-tunes are with bolts. how much are the bolts then?

will be around 10-15g i guess;)

The bolts weigh 23 g.
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nino wrote:
teutscher wrote:oh, these over400gram-tunes are with bolts. how much are the bolts then?

will be around 10-15g i guess;)

we weren't debating about the prices. just weight and that's where Tune most of the time isn't leading anymore.


tune never was that ultralight. most they sell, is just kind of compromising in wight-price-ratio...
sure you weren't discussing prices, but don't you think it's strange to compare some mid-class alloy-cranks with some more or less high end (at least high end priced) carbon-stuff?

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by nino

once again it was about weight, not price.

-Extralite also has some nice Al-cranks that are 40g lighter and much cheaper than Storck cranks.
-the Tune stem is heavy. a Ritchey WCS is already lighter and that years ago.
-the Tune seatpost has been beaten by several companies now.
-same with the hubs where the "cheapo" Amclassic hubs beat Tune badly. you don't talk about Tune's hubs that cost a fortune either, right?
-i wonder what these Ti/carbon chainring cost that Tune presented. and i also wonder about the price..my Sugino supershifter set of 42/32/22 costs 48$....
-bar-ends...

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nino wrote:once again it was about weight, not price.

-Extralite also has some nice Al-cranks that are 40g lighter and much cheaper than Storck cranks.
-the Tune stem is heavy. a Ritchey WCS is already lighter and that years ago.
-the Tune seatpost has been beaten by several companies now.
-same with the hubs where the "cheapo" Amclassic hubs beat Tune badly. you don't talk about Tune's hubs that cost a fortune either, right?
-i wonder what these Ti/carbon chainring cost that Tune presented. and i also wonder about the price..my Sugino supershifter set of 42/32/22 costs 48$....
-bar-ends...


What's about :
- bottle cage 9g
- Concorde saddle 45g
- quick releases 51g
- handelbar (schmolke) 80g
- BB ti 113mm 131g
- seatpost-saddle 150g

I think they are always with the best ww products

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I think Tune makes some nice products with a good compromise strength/weight/price but there are lighter , cheaper or stronger stuff available (not necessarily lighter, cheaper AND stronger mind you :wink: !)
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by nino

What's about :
- bottle cage 9g
- Concorde saddle 45g
- quick releases 51g
- handelbar (schmolke) 80g
- BB ti 113mm 131g
- seatpost-saddle 150g




-bottlecage ok. durability with a big bottle questionable.
-the concorde saddle is road only ( i have it on my roadbike and it is great. however my 1st one broke after just 300km...). the Speedneedle is what you get for MTB...
-quick release is ok but i don't like them at all. too flexy and too expensive. Heylight are 1g heavier...i prefer steel bolt-on axles anyway-65g / 10 euro and much stiffer clamping.
-handlebar? you name it, it's a Schmolke
-my FRM square weighs the same.New Ultimate Isis less.
-seatpost saddle weight is for sure ultralight but what about pricing here? and i will never ever put my back on a speedneedle-like saddle. that thing is just a pain. a AX-Lightness combo is about the same i guess.also pricewise in the stratosphere and ease of use/durability on a MTB is rather questionable. but for sure light.

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