New Shimano XTR M9200?

[js]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/interview ... boxes.html

I'd marked this one as 'worth a listen' and finally got to it this week. In the podcast, they essentially acknowledge that SRAM is changing the game faster than they can keep up to. It first happened with XTR Di2, which they were planning to release a year or two after 2018's new 9100, but had to shelf because mountain bikes didn't have one place to store their battery anymore. Now, they're facing the same issue with direct mount rear derailleurs.

I've always preferred a mix of groupsets, with SRAM shifter/derailleur mixed with Shimano chain and cassette. I'd love it if I could put a SRAM DM Mechanical derailleur on my bike and keep it working with the Shimano cogs (and sweet XTR hub), but the spacing of the transmission stuff is different, so it's unlikely to work.

Edit - when they spoke about their 15 year old Saint group though, it did feel like a bit less awful for XC... but you really do have to wonder whether Shimano still wants to be in the mountain bike business. I mean, surely they do for all the people they still employ - but where is that getting them??

[robbosmans]

Shimano will try very hard to close that gap in 2025 lots of new and exciting products coming including mtb stuff

[js]

I think we're all really looking forward to that... but we were for 2019 too.

Fingers crossed there aren't any more upsets of the Fuji apple cart.

[Finn]

Shimano will try very hard to close that gap in 2025 lots of new and exciting products coming including mtb stuff

Hopefully that includes besides only XTR also at least XT and maybe SLX.

[Upcountry]

Perhaps the most "insightful" and accountable information I've seen yet... Per Open, in the trickle of information they've begun to release for their new Upper model.

"-UDH rear derailleur hanger as we already discussed.
-Compatible with a new, as of yet unannounced Shimano rear derailleur standard."

I think most of us assumed that Shimano was working on some sort of competition/companion for Srams UDH. This confirms that they have their own spin, but that it will be adaptable to UDH frames.

"The new UP will start shipping at the beginning of 2025. And that's not all, there will be more new model introductions in the Spring of 2025, and another one in the Summer of 2025."

I sort of read this as Sram models available to order now, an new Shimano models will be released in Spring... So I'm sort of expecting the XTR and GRX launch then...

[Ritxis]

Perhaps the most "insightful" and accountable information I've seen yet... Per Open, in the trickle of information they've begun to release for their new Upper model.

"-UDH rear derailleur hanger as we already discussed.
-Compatible with a new, as of yet unannounced Shimano rear derailleur standard."

I think most of us assumed that Shimano was working on some sort of competition/companion for Srams UDH. This confirms that they have their own spin, but that it will be adaptable to UDH frames.

"The new UP will start shipping at the beginning of 2025. And that's not all, there will be more new model introductions in the Spring of 2025, and another one in the Summer of 2025."

I sort of read this as Sram models available to order now, an new Shimano models will be released in Spring... So I'm sort of expecting the XTR and GRX launch then...

Some time ago, Shimano patents had already shown some rear derailleurs with a hanger similar to the UDH.

[emotive]

"The new UP will start shipping at the beginning of 2025. And that's not all, there will be more new model introductions in the Spring of 2025, and another one in the Summer of 2025."

I sort of read this as Sram models available to order now, an new Shimano models will be released in Spring... So I'm sort of expecting the XTR and GRX launch then...

That could be the case. Or it could just be staggered development of new frames. They do need to update their whole frame range to UDH. That’s the Upper, Up, Wide, and Mi.nd, and maybe there will be something new too.

[Lelandjt]

I've been expecting that on the road Shimano will just make a UDH DM hanger that attaches to the derailleur like current DM hangers. In MTB they'll use as similar an attachment to T-Type as patents allow.

[Upcountry]

I agree with everything you both mentioned regarding Shimano's new hanger and that we had an idea of what it would look like, but up until now, we didn't really have any solid evidence that they would play nice with UDH, and given the bike industry's lack of agreement in nearly anything, it wouldn't have been a total shock for Shimano to refuse to "accept" UDH as a standard. And like @Lelandjt stated, I'm envisioning a simple extra B link like they currently use which you can remove for direct mount hangers.

[marian]

information embargo until February 2025. We have to wait.

[js]

Anybody have spy shots yet?

Winters are as much about building base fitness as dialing equipment selections on my end (for whatever either is worth at my point in sport), and it would be so much easier to plan if I knew what was coming from Shimano.

My current wheelset has XTR hubs. They're amazing. But they're not compatible with a SRAM transmission. The appeal of much stiffer shifting is impressive... so if there's another road that could lead me there, it would be great to know.

Pushing this down the road to February could leave it all too late. And while it's not the end of the world to be a year late to a new technology, it's always nice if you can be ready for whatever doors might open.