Best (smoothest) hardtail ? XTC, Epic, other..
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Hi all considering building a new hardtail for next season. I rode a Scott Scale for several years, excellent bike. Looking for lighter weight (Scale frame was 1300g) more tire clearance, longer reach, and a boost/thru-axle hub.
Top two options now are Giant XTC SL and Spec Epic HT. Anyone have ride quality feedback on these bikes? too close to call? any others I should consider?
Prefer something other than Scott for variety sake.
Top two options now are Giant XTC SL and Spec Epic HT. Anyone have ride quality feedback on these bikes? too close to call? any others I should consider?
Prefer something other than Scott for variety sake.
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1300g for a scale? Last one i had was 950 ish.
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BH hardtail are top notch.
And very, very light.
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And very, very light.
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Mine is size XL and is the cheaper heavier HMF frame. Weighed with PF bb I think.
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OK, the one i had was a M or L and the HMX i think from one of the WC models.
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I'm interested in this too, problem for us in Australia is not many of the hardtails are available as a frameset.
S-works is the pic for geo and ride I think BUT you are paying a lot for the S Works sticker when the Comp model frame is identical. Probably better to buy the Comp model and strip?
Canyon Exceed is a nice frame too but not available as frame only
Giant XTC looks good but is not available as a frame I don't think
Trek Procaliber probably smoothest wit the ISO Speed Coupler but I recall it being heavy >1300g
S-works is the pic for geo and ride I think BUT you are paying a lot for the S Works sticker when the Comp model frame is identical. Probably better to buy the Comp model and strip?
Canyon Exceed is a nice frame too but not available as frame only
Giant XTC looks good but is not available as a frame I don't think
Trek Procaliber probably smoothest wit the ISO Speed Coupler but I recall it being heavy >1300g
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I have a 2020 Epic HT, coming off an 2018 XTC before that. The Epic was a hell of an upgrade but could also be a combination of the higher-end build spec and lighter bike weight, but it just felt so much snappier, racier and sharper handling. It takes a 2.4" tyre in the back which I think is a key consideration in buying a hardtail these days. Not much penalty in riding a wider tyre in an already light bike and gives more comfort in the rear end.
Can rule out the Canyon due to the internal wedge seat clamp. I will never purchase another bike with one of those! Madness! Rant over.grantrstubbs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:04 amI'm interested in this too, problem for us in Australia is not many of the hardtails are available as a frameset.
S-works is the pic for geo and ride I think BUT you are paying a lot for the S Works sticker when the Comp model frame is identical. Probably better to buy the Comp model and strip?
Canyon Exceed is a nice frame too but not available as frame only
Giant XTC looks good but is not available as a frame I don't think
Trek Procaliber probably smoothest wit the ISO Speed Coupler but I recall it being heavy >1300g
I absolutely agree and can't imagine going back to a narrow tire. Even just having mud clearance is crucial. I rode an XTC for a week a few years back and remember liking the ride quality a lot but the head angle was absurd.viragevitesse wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:54 amI have a 2020 Epic HT, coming off an 2018 XTC before that. The Epic was a hell of an upgrade but could also be a combination of the higher-end build spec and lighter bike weight, but it just felt so much snappier, racier and sharper handling. It takes a 2.4" tyre in the back which I think is a key consideration in buying a hardtail these days. Not much penalty in riding a wider tyre in an already light bike and gives more comfort in the rear end.
Yeah, I still prefer 2.25" tire in the back of full sus mtb. But for hard-tail, it'd be widest tire that fit in there.
Low knobs, speedy and light casing 2.4 or larger is preferred on hardtail over 2.25 with medium knobs all round tires.
Low knobs, speedy and light casing 2.4 or larger is preferred on hardtail over 2.25 with medium knobs all round tires.
I'm interested in this question too as I run 2.25 usually and definitely find the back wheel bumps around a bit. I find its worst on loose rocky trails (not often in xc races but sometimes on marathon courses here) and field edge paths which tend to be quite rough.
Do you find the comfort and grip outweighs the extra rolling of eg a 2.4? Do you run slightly higher pressure in a bigger tyre to compensate?
Do you find the comfort and grip outweighs the extra rolling of eg a 2.4? Do you run slightly higher pressure in a bigger tyre to compensate?
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Higher pressure in a tire is only faster on smooth tarmac or a metal drum test. On bumpy trails lower pressure is smoother and faster as the tire can conform to the trail. The men's XC World Championship was won on 2.4 size Maxxis Aspens, so yes 2.4 size tires can be fast. It just depends on the tread pattern and tire compound.
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I run lower pressures in larger tires.
I would guess most of the top racers (WC) will be running tubeless of that size at between 1.2 and 1.5 bar. I know some of the liter riders in the women's competition are running ~1 bar on some course/tire combinations.
I would guess most of the top racers (WC) will be running tubeless of that size at between 1.2 and 1.5 bar. I know some of the liter riders in the women's competition are running ~1 bar on some course/tire combinations.
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