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I wouldn't bother with them when I can get Berd spokes custom laced to the hubs and rims I like. Would be lighter, cheaper, and repairable. No downsides.

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F45 wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:35 am
I wouldn't bother with them when I can get Berd spokes custom laced to the hubs and rims I like. Would be lighter, cheaper, and repairable. No downsides.
Are you running wheels with Berd spokes?
I've read from user reviews it's not that good. Flexible as a noodle.

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cula_ru wrote:
F45 wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:35 am
I wouldn't bother with them when I can get Berd spokes custom laced to the hubs and rims I like. Would be lighter, cheaper, and repairable. No downsides.
Are you running wheels with Berd spokes?
I've read from user reviews it's not that good. Flexible as a noodle.
Mine aren’t any more or less laterally stiff than a traditional 3x wheel with DT Revs.


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LeDuke wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:32 am
cula_ru wrote:
F45 wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:35 am
I wouldn't bother with them when I can get Berd spokes custom laced to the hubs and rims I like. Would be lighter, cheaper, and repairable. No downsides.
Are you running wheels with Berd spokes?
I've read from user reviews it's not that good. Flexible as a noodle.
Mine aren’t any more or less laterally stiff than a traditional 3x wheel with DT Revs.


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I find that hard to beleive.. :)
Are there some tests out there? Real data and numbers.

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cula_ru wrote:
LeDuke wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:32 am
cula_ru wrote:
F45 wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:35 am
I wouldn't bother with them when I can get Berd spokes custom laced to the hubs and rims I like. Would be lighter, cheaper, and repairable. No downsides.
Are you running wheels with Berd spokes?
I've read from user reviews it's not that good. Flexible as a noodle.
Mine aren’t any more or less laterally stiff than a traditional 3x wheel with DT Revs.


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I find that hard to beleive.. :)
Are there some tests out there? Real data and numbers.
Why?


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Berd and Silverton wheels tested on video.
https://youtu.be/M0IbYoalIVY

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cula_ru wrote:Berd and Silverton wheels tested on video.
https://youtu.be/M0IbYoalIVY
There are no Berd wheels in that video. Pi Rope, yes.


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Pi Rope, correct.
I need to buy this article, in very curious about the results.
In terms of reparability you are right, you can't repair the Silverton. But in terms of stiffness you can't beat carbon with textiles.

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cula_ru wrote:Pi Rope, correct.
I need to buy this article, in very curious about the results.
In terms of reparability you are right, you can't repair the Silverton. But in terms of stiffness you can't beat carbon with textiles.
Sure. But how much stiffness is too much?

Scott-SRAM haven’t won a race on those new wheels. Nino even went so far as to use a cheaper, less stiff wheel set in the Olympics.


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Tom Pidcock won the olympics on this wheels.

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Pi Rope: Light AF and lowest stiffness of them all.
PI ROPE SQUIRREL X.22
PI ROPE SQUIRREL X.22
Syncros: Stiff AF and fragile AF!
SYNCROS SILVERTON SL
SYNCROS SILVERTON SL
Yeah Pidcock wasn't afraid to crack the wheels, they hold on prety good on massive drops and rocks in the Olympics.

Probably the Pi Ropes handle damage better because they are the less siff, effectively absorbing the impacts as a spring.

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This is interesting too
drop test results
drop test results
We need to do some calcs to understand the 3.2joule impact...
So 3.2J in each step is the equivalent of droping 1kg from an height of 34cm or 0.5Kg from 76cm height or 300g from 1.94m...
6.4J means a drop of a weight of 1kg from a height of 70cm
9.6J means a drop of a weight of 1kg from a height of 1.09m
12.8J means a drop of a weight of 1kg from a height of 1.51m

This is approximated values but enough to get an idea of the impact.
(using 0.1 for air resistance)
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LeDuke wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:19 pm
cula_ru wrote:Pi Rope, correct.
I need to buy this article, in very curious about the results.
In terms of reparability you are right, you can't repair the Silverton. But in terms of stiffness you can't beat carbon with textiles.
Sure. But how much stiffness is too much?

Scott-SRAM haven’t won a race on those new wheels. Nino even went so far as to use a cheaper, less stiff wheel set in the Olympics.
Pidcock used them at the Olympics, you might have missed it because he was out of sight off the front for most of the race :wink: He won on them at Nove Mesto too.

Anyway, with zero bike sponsor commitments he had free choice to use whatever he wanted.

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Buying the stiffest wheelset for your mtb is dumb, a to stiff wheelset will loose traction quicker than a less stiff wheelset. Downhill teams for example have different wheels with different spokes, spoke numbers and tensions for different courses.

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robbosmans wrote:
Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:20 am
Buying the stiffest wheelset for your mtb is dumb, a to stiff wheelset will loose traction quicker than a less stiff wheelset. Downhill teams for example have different wheels with different spokes, spoke numbers and tensions for different courses.
For DH maybe it's good to have some absortion on the wheels for that kind of riding, massive jumps, massive rocks, massive landings. It's another level, not surprising.
Does a XC racer need that? Or suspension and tire volume is enough?

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