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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 2:09 pm 
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On the same idea as http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=550&start=90 I thought we should put together a list of lightweight Tubular Wheelsets.

Remembering the tubbies are usually lighter and more aero then clinchers.

This isn't my area of expertise as the mass produced clincher market may be so I would appreciate the assistance of those who have done the shopping.

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Reynolds CIRRO SV-KOM, 1050g, can be made at least 100g lighter if you rebuild the wheel with lighter hubs.


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Here's a start point.

Claimed weights are for 700c

MODEL-WEIGHT-RIM DEPTH

Zipp 202 1040g? ?
Reynolds Cirro SV KOM 1050g 23mm
Zipp Z3 1065g 38mm
AC 38 1110g 38mm
Zipp 303 1124g 38mm
Reynolds Stratus DV UL 1130g 46mm
Reynolds Cirro SV 1190g 23mm
Reynolds Stratus 1250g 46mm
Corima Winium 1300g 21mm


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1- Reynolds Cirro Sv Kom 1050g 20/24 spokes 23/23mm rims
2- Spada Winium 1050g
3- Zipp 202 1065g 20/24 spokes, 25/25mm rims
4- Zipp Z3 1080g 18/21 spokes, 38/38mm rims
5- FRM FL-R 22 Carbon 1080gr 20/24 spokes
6- American Classic Carbon 38 Tubolar 1124g 18/24 spokes, 38/38mm rims
7- Reynolds Stratus Dv UL 1120g 16/20 spokes 46/46mm rims
8- Zipp 303 1124g 20/28 spokes, 38/38mm rims
9- Velomax Ascent 2 1145g 18/24 spokes 23/23mm rims
10- Reynolds Cirro Sv 1190g 20/24 spokes 23/23mm rims
11- Bontrager Triple X lite 1190 20/24 spokes 24/24mm rims
12- Fir Fly Carbon 1200gr 20/24 spokes
13- Campagnolo Hyperon Tubolar 1240g 22/24 spokes,
14- Reynolds Stratus Dv 1250g 16/20 spokes 46/46mm rims
15- Velomax Tempest 2 1265g 18/20 spokes 58/58mm rims
16- Zipp Z4 1268g 18/18 spokes, 58/58mm rims
17- Corima Carbon Medium Tubolar 1250gr 18/24 spokes, 45/45mm rims
18- American Classic Carbon 58 Tubolar 1280g 18/24 spokes, 58/58mm rims
19- Zipp 404 1283g 18/24 spokes, 58/58mm rims
20- Corima Winium Tubolar 1295g 24/24 spokes,
21- Campagnolo Bora Tubolar 1320g 18/21 spokes, 45/45mm rims
22- Cane Creek Aros Superlight Team Ti 1312g 24/28 Titanium spokes, 22/22mm rims
23- Bontrager Race X lite 1360 14/16 spokes 44/44mm rims
24- Cane Creek Aros Superlight SS 1401g 24/28 Steel spokes, 22/22mm rims
25- Cane Creek Aros Team Ti 1436g 18/28 Titanium spokes, 46/46mm rims
26- Corima Carbon Aereo Light Tubolar 1470g 18/24 spokes, 45/45mm rims
27- Cane Creek Aros SS 1495g 18/28 Steel spokes, 46/46mm rims
28- Fir Speedlite Tubolar 1450g 20/24 spokes 30/30mm rims
29- Thorius Shado Carbo 1485g 16/16 spokes 45/45mm rims
30- Thorius N Era 1510gr 24/24 spokes 45/45mm rims
31- Hed Alps Tubolar 1540g 18/24 spokes 50/50mm rims

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1- Reynolds Cirro Sv Kom 1050g 20/24 spokes 23/23mm rims
2- Spada Winium 1050g
3- Zipp 202 1065g 20/24 spokes, 25/25mm rims
4- Zipp Z3 1080g 18/21 spokes, 38/38mm rims
5- FRM FL-R 22 Carbon 1080gr 20/24 spokes
6- American Classic Carbon 38 Tubolar 1124g 18/24 spokes, 38/38mm rims
7- Reynolds Stratus Dv UL 1120g 16/20 spokes 46/46mm rims
8- Zipp 303 1124g 20/28 spokes, 38/38mm rims
9- Velomax Ascent 2 1145g 18/24 spokes 23/23mm rims
10- Carbon Sport Light Weight 1150gr 16/20 spokes
11- Reynolds Cirro Sv 1190g 20/24 spokes 23/23mm rims
12- Bontrager Triple X lite 1190 20/24 spokes 24/24mm rims
13- Fir Fly Carbon 1200gr 20/24 spokes
14- Campagnolo Hyperon Tubolar 1240g 22/24 spokes,
15- Reynolds Stratus Dv 1250g 16/20 spokes 46/46mm rims
16- Velomax Tempest 2 1265g 18/20 spokes 58/58mm rims
17- Zipp Z4 1268g 18/18 spokes, 58/58mm rims
18- Corima Carbon Medium Tubolar 1250gr 18/24 spokes, 45/45mm rims
19- American Classic Carbon 58 Tubolar 1280g 18/24 spokes, 58/58mm rims
20- Ritchey WCS Carbon Wheels 1282gr 16/20 Spokes, 58/58 rims
21- Zipp 404 1283g 18/24 spokes, 58/58mm rims
22- Corima Winium Tubolar 1295g 24/24 spokes,
23- Campagnolo Bora Tubolar 1320g 18/21 spokes, 45/45mm rims
24- Cane Creek Aros Superlight Team Ti 1312g 24/28 Titanium spokes, 22/22mm rims
25- Bontrager Race X lite 1360 14/16 spokes 44/44mm rims
26- Cane Creek Aros Superlight SS 1401g 24/28 Steel spokes, 22/22mm rims
27- Cane Creek Aros Team Ti 1436g 18/28 Titanium spokes, 46/46mm rims
28- Corima Carbon Aereo Light Tubolar 1470g 18/24 spokes, 45/45mm rims
29- Cane Creek Aros SS 1495g 18/28 Steel spokes, 46/46mm rims
30- Fir Speedlite Tubolar 1450g 20/24 spokes 30/30mm rims
31- Thorius Shado Carbo 1485g 16/16 spokes 45/45mm rims
32- Thorius N Era 1510gr 24/24 spokes 45/45mm rims
33- Hed Alps Tubolar 1540g 18/24 spokes 50/50mm rims


:?: Ada 955g 20/20 spokes 51/51mm rims :shock: Is it possible / true??

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Tune Olympic Gold <1000g


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Nice work on the list Delpi, did you do all that last night?

I'll try to add spoke count and price soon.

If I used tubies I would need to use a sealant, has anyone tried to weigh their sealant and determined how much they need (and how often) and the weight involved?

Keep it coming people.

Brian


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I have a pair of AC 38mm tubbies and run Tufo S3 Lite(195 gms). I got a 70ml tube of sealant and used 1/2 of that in each tire and haven't had a flat for 3,500 miles and I ride on some rough and glass infested roads!! Pretty impressive......the sealant works great!!!!


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Superlite wrote:
Reynolds CIRRO SV-KOM, 1050g, can be made at least 100g lighter if you rebuild the wheel with lighter hubs.


rebuilding does not count, the thread is for production wheels, but dont worry i thought about buying a sv-com and rebuilding it :D

i think the spada with the 202 rims will take the cake, i assume it will be between 950g -1000g - so it will be the lightest production wheel :wink:


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If I can sell my white industries hubs I'll rebuild my cirro sv with spada or soul kozak hubs and cx-rays...he,he,he..hope to hit 1050g....


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spaniardclimber wrote:
If I can sell my white industries hubs I'll rebuild my cirro sv with spada or soul kozak hubs and cx-rays...he,he,he..hope to hit 1050g....


zipp 202's will still be lighter they are 250g a rim and the RC cirro sv are 285g a rim. unless you get the cirro sv-Kom which are 220g a rim, but that would cost almost $600 more not including the replacement of the hubs.

but i am assuming you already have the cirro sv, right? the rim worth it is the stratos UL which are 280g and they are aero - they would make you 120g heavier than the kom's but they are also stronger, especially if your a rider over 180lbs.

spada Rear hub 184g
spada Front hub 65g
2x cirro sv-kom 440g
42 sapim cx-ray spokes about 5 grams each 210g

Total :arrow: 899g wheelset

will someone try this out :D


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Don't Like aero wheels, at least in the front, If you catch a windy day it's too dangerous, I used to ride with Gipieme tecno 416 for training and I had to stop on several rides due to crosswind.
On some hilly races I even felt the bike moving sideways due to crosswind with my ksyriums.
As for zipp 202, I was also thinking of them, but for what I've read Reynolds produces stronger rims than Zipp. KOMs look as a great option, but I have yet to see any reviews on them...also there will sure be a weight limit which I haven't found on their website.
For me best the best combination is: KOM front, STRATUS UL rear......


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spada Rear hub 184g
spada Front hub 65g
2x cirro sv-kom 440g
42 sapim cx-ray spokes about 5 grams each 210g

Total 899g wheelset


:!: "Great" weight! :!:

Is this set really usable??
I think that you can use this set only with a "indoor" trainer like this: :lol:


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spaniardclimber wrote:
Don't Like aero wheels, at least in the front, If you catch a windy day it's too dangerous, I used to ride with Gipieme tecno 416 for training and I had to stop on several rides due to crosswind.
On some hilly races I even felt the bike moving sideways due to crosswind with my ksyriums.
As for zipp 202, I was also thinking of them, but for what I've read Reynolds produces stronger rims than Zipp. KOMs look as a great option, but I have yet to see any reviews on them...also there will sure be a weight limit which I haven't found on their website.
For me best the best combination is: KOM front, STRATUS UL rear......


thats a great idea kom front and startus UL rear, but how are you going to get the rims, they are sold in pairs (front and rear) thats alot of money to invest.

i am with you with the crosswind, i caught some nice wind on the GW bridge and man its scary when it catches you off guard. i would def go with the Kom's but i do not know how stiff they would be compared to a corima win rim or a zipp 202. its a big investment almost as much as getting a set of lightweight wheels

delpi we have a training forum its been open for a while now :lol:


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Yes, it's a LOT of money, but if you get a good price on the wheels in the USA (now the $/EUR is great for us), and then you sell the rear KOM and fron UL here in europe it wont be that much...
But are the KOMs in shops allready?


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