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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 1:49 am 
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Non-Enve pads delaminates the brake track. It is fairly easy to tell if a customer has not been using the proper pads.

The Enve pads are fantastic, I don't see why you would use others.


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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 7:40 pm 
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Ghost234 wrote:
Non-Enve pads delaminates the brake track.


They do?


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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 8:50 pm 
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Ghost234 wrote:
Non-Enve pads delaminates the brake track


Oh yeah? How many delaminated Enve brake tracks have you seen?


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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 9:09 pm 
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Better stopping power and relatively better in the wet on Sram Red MY13 levers and calipers.

I call bulls@$t on non enve pads delaminating your brake track.

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:23 am 
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wingguy wrote:
Ghost234 wrote:
Non-Enve pads delaminates the brake track


Oh yeah? How many delaminated Enve brake tracks have you seen?



There are 2 sets sitting in my shop right now. Enve will not warranty them.


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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 11:11 am 
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Ghost234 wrote:
wingguy wrote:
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Non-Enve pads delaminates the brake track


Oh yeah? How many delaminated Enve brake tracks have you seen?



There are 2 sets sitting in my shop right now. Enve will not warranty them.



I wonder how they would deal with mine? I purchased my enve rims before enve started using their own pads. Once they announced the came out I contacted them and they sent me a set (at no charge), but the marks were already on the rims. I haven't had an issue, but if I did I wonder how that would be handled.

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 6:34 pm 
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If you were using the pads they recommended at the time I can't see how they could justify not honoring the warranty.

Reynolds did the same thing- when I bought my rims they recommended SwissStop yellows and Kook-Stop carbon (which were utter garbage, chunking after an hour's use). They they developed their own and changed their recommendation to those.

BTW my friend the Trek dealer regularly sees Bontrager carbon rims ruined by the wrong pads, usually the Yellows, because someone on the internets recommended them. Bontrager doesn't warranty those.

I'm constantly amazed by people who spend $2500 on wheels and then will follow some random advice on the internet rather than trying what's been tested by the rim maker.


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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 10:58 pm 
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There are 2 sets sitting in my shop right now. Enve will not warranty them.


Can you show us pics and mark where you mean on them please?

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 11:00 pm 
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BTW my friend the Trek dealer regularly sees Bontrager carbon rims ruined by the wrong pads, usually the Yellows, because someone on the internets recommended them. Bontrager doesn't warranty those.

I'm constantly amazed by people who spend $2500 on wheels and then will follow some random advice on the internet rather than trying what's been tested by the rim maker.


Agreed. I can't believe how nicely my SES 6.7 wheels brake with the Enve pads. I have no reason to venture to another type of pad.

I am thinking perhaps the OPs brakes are to blame for one reason or another.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:25 pm 
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Ghost234 wrote:
wingguy wrote:
Ghost234 wrote:
Non-Enve pads delaminates the brake track


Oh yeah? How many delaminated Enve brake tracks have you seen?



There are 2 sets sitting in my shop right now. Enve will not warranty them.


If that's true it sounds like a big black mark for Enve.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:54 pm 
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I'm a big fan of Bontrager cork pads on all my carbon rims... various brands.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:31 pm 
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wingguy- so Enve should test their rims with every single pad out there and reformulate the rims until they work correctly with every pad (assuming this is possible and I don't think it is)? Even if someone comes up with pads that are utter garbage? Nearly all carbon rim makers recommend specific pads, often their own.

xnavalav8r- the Bontrager cork pads work well on Bontrager rims. But some other rim makers specifically instruct their users to not use cork based pads.


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