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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:08 pm 
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KLabs wrote:
Even though the Lateral Stiffness has improved, the really noticeable improvement is how much slower the rate of lateral movement occurs for the same applied pressure


It would be interesting to see deflection measured under the same load with this lacing and standard 2x on the same hub and rim.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:51 pm 
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I'm building a set of wheels soon and at my weight (75kg) I'm considering a 24h rear and 20h front. I'm interested in aluminum tubulars and I'll be using the T11 hubs from white industries. I want a rim that doesn't compromise lateral stability for a lower weight. I was hoping to use velocity escapes but they seem to have poor reviews regarding their profile and depth. HED C2 tubulars look to be my next option but they are twice the price and are only available in 24, 28, or 32 hole. I would appreciate a rim recommendation. This will strictly be for road use. I am looking at a radial front pattern and either 2X NDS/ 2x DS pattern or a 1x DS and 2x NDS pattern to offest the poor tension balancing of these hubs.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:07 pm 
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Unless you are always going to run 10sp cassettes you may want to lace the DS normally rather than 1x heads in. With the 11sp large cog being 1.85mm closer to the flange there may be clearance problems between spokes and derailleur.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:05 pm 
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@captainclarko- I think that the C2 is a great rim. It may be worth just going with a 24/24 to be able to use that hoop.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:29 pm 
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captainclarko wrote:
I was hoping to use velocity escapes...


I think the Escape is a better deal. Good price, significantly lighter and I've built a bunch of them with good reliability. I know a few riders much bigger than you that have used them for years.

To T11 hubs, I would recommend 20/28 spoke count. As always, I prefer a heavier gauge on the right side of the rear wheel. Make the wheel more durable and laterally stiffer.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:44 pm 
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ergott wrote:
captainclarko wrote:
I was hoping to use velocity escapes...


I think the Escape is a better deal. Good price, significantly lighter and I've built a bunch of them with good reliability. I know a few riders much bigger than you that have used them for years.

To T11 hubs, I would recommend 20/28 spoke count. As always, I prefer a heavier gauge on the right side of the rear wheel. Make the wheel more durable and laterally stiffer.

@ ergott
Regarding spoke gauge, I'm considering aerolites all around. If I use DT Aerolites on the DS and revolutions on the NDS, would this be a decent compromise to keep the DS strong during wind up and keep those NDS spokes from wiggling lose over time? Would you recommend DS supercomp/ NDS aerolite instead?

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@captainclarko- I think that the C2 is a great rim. It may be worth just going with a 24/24 to be able to use that hoop.

I appreciate that solid review coming from you. Ergott makes a good argument for velocity's as well. I'll have to look more closely at both.

It should be noted that I will be using an 11 speed cassette so spoke clearance is important, and my biggest concern is the DS bracing angle (planning for around 3.4 degrees) and my tension balance which should be around 44% but I am hoping to creep that upwards as I optimize this build. The C2 rim has an ERD that is comparatively 10mm less than the escape rim. This pushes my DS bracing angle up by .1 degrees, but small advantages like this are why I'm here asking these questions.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:12 am 
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For good and bad, the C2 rim is stiffer. I think the ride suffers in comparison. People have complained about the ride of those rims especially at higher spoke counts or with relatively small tires (23mm).

Aerolites have the same effective gauge as the Revolution so there is no difference in stiffness. You can use DT Aero Comps for the DS and Aerolites elsewhere. The Aero Comp is a bladed/ovalized Competition spoke.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:45 am 
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http://www.bikerumor.com/2013/04/15/new-hed-ardennes-tubeless-fr-tubular-disc-brake-road-wheels/

Wonder what the new tubular weighs?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:54 pm 
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bobonker wrote:
Thanks for the input guys. Based on a couple of other conversations, I decided to go with the 19W. Haven't built wheels with eyletted rims before, so I want to try it.

I went 20/24 which I may regret, but the WW in me really wanted a sub 1350g build.

Ordered it all from bikehubstore.com today. Looking forward to getting these built!

Bob


Well darn, made a dumb mistake.

I decided to go 20/24 instead of 24/28. Since the front wheel is radially laced, the spoke length didn't change. Since I want 2x in the rear, the rear length DID change. All of my rear spokes are 2mm too short. :doh: Luckily I caught this before I started to assemble, so I can return the rear spokes and get the proper lengths.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:36 am 
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Orfitinho wrote:
This Spoke Lacing Tool is quite useful for inspecting spoke patterns.

Hi Orfitinho, thank you so much for the link to this tool ... fantastic :)

thanks KL :)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:51 am 
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bobonker wrote:
I decided to go 20/24 instead of 24/28. Since the front wheel is radially laced, the spoke length didn't change. Since I want 2x in the rear, the rear length DID change. All of my rear spokes are 2mm too short. :doh: Luckily I caught this before I started to assemble, so I can return the rear spokes and get the proper lengths.


Let us know how this build turns out as I am thinking of using the exact same parts except for BHS's new UL190 rear hub. Am also concerned that 20/24 configuration may be a bit too flexy with the XR19W even at my 68kg. Want this to be a race and train wheel set.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:00 pm 
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Hey all - new here, but been reading for a while.

I am planning on building a new wheel set with H plus Son Archetypes and White Industries T11 hubs 28f/32r with a 2x pattern in the front and 2x/3x in the rear for my CAAD 10. Still trying to figure out what spokes to go with, but am leaning toward the Sapim lasers. I am 165 and 5'8" and do mostly fair weather riding, ride decent amount of hills on moderately good roads.

Do the folks with lots of experience think this is good build? Appreciate the feedback. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:28 pm 
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@waymore- That sounds like an awesome build. I think the Lasers are a good call too. Keep in mind, if this is your first wheelset, the Lasers will wind up during the tensioning process. If you can gauge and compensate for it, it's no problem. However that does take some practice.

If you didn't want to deal with windup, go with the Cxrays. You will need a spoke holder but they are easy to prevent windup on.

Good call on the lacing though. 3x ds and 2x nds will make for a rigid build.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:09 pm 
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I would use 2x DS and 3x NDS as this will help tension balance by 30N or so. Other wise I would normally build with 2x both sides. Laser are fine for use with the archetype rim so long as yor hub give good NDS bracing angles on the rear (if its 37mm NDS spacing you will be fine).

I love the Archetype rim not light but is one great rim to build with. Lubricate your spoke thread with 3 n oil, it really work with Lasers. I was showing some one how to build wheels yesterday, it was his first build and we sed Lasers and he had no isses with wind up. Also I find using Sapim alloy nipples reduces wind up even further so it is almost no existant.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:37 am 
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Thank you for the replies. Just need to figure out the spoke lengths and nipple sizes.

Will be putting the order in through zen cyclery.


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