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Clothing manufacturers
Louis Garneau 51%  51%  [ 40 ]
Pactimo 10%  10%  [ 8 ]
Champion System 39%  39%  [ 31 ]
Total votes: 79
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:28 pm 
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If we wanted to be true to the WW spirit, we would do an all black kit with ghosted graphics. :sarcasm:
If you wanted to be true to the true WW spirit, you'd choose the lightest weight* articles.

* The only legitimate debate would be if there were one option which was lighter when dry, but another option which retained less moisture and was lighter in system weight upon use in sweating or wet conditions.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:53 pm 
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I raced Pactimo last year and still ride their summit pro bibs and ascent skinsuit sometimes. The 2012+ jerseys are cut a lot nicer than previous IMO and the sleeves don't pinch so much. I was a fan of the bibs at first but honestly - they don't hold my... valuables... in a very good position (ever) and they're the only shorts I've ever developed a saddle sore while wearing. I'd actually rate the Ascent chamois higher from a comfort standpoint (the skinsuit is quite comfy).

All of that said; my vote wouldn't likely be to them. I've got a tri buddy who's raced Pactimo and Champion and was extremely dissatisfied with his last Pactimo order.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:36 pm 
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Vote Louis Garneau. Last version was great for hot weather hillclimbs, but didn't take pins well. I loved the low mass, but perhaps slightly more durable cloth would work better for more general use. Thanks for running with this!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:31 pm 
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Like the idea! My vote is Champion System and I see they have offices in many different places around the world. If you went with CS, could a design be submitted at one location (U.S for example) and them made and dispatched locally? Just a thought


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:43 am 
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The WW kit was great. Very cool, temperature, jersey great fit and comfort. I did wear mine out and as infrequent as everyone can get together on this I would buy two.

My team orders the Champion Systems unless they have changed the rear pockets are way too high.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:07 pm 
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I've added the Poll and voted for Champ Sys.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:23 pm 
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I'm in! Excited for this.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:40 pm 
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My team kits for the past two years were Champ-Sys. Really good, high-quality stuff. I actually prefer the regular chamois to the "premium" chamois, whatever they call it.


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I agree.....the 'premium' chamois is a bit too thick for my taste.

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Champion is okay, in my experience. I'd definitely buy it: it fits well, but it feels a bit cheap. The artwork scales with size (since it's digitally printed) which is a plus. But my vote went with Louis-Garneau.

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Would prefer Champion System out of the three

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:31 am 
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djconnel wrote:
Champion is okay, in my experience. I'd definitely buy it: it fits well, but it feels a bit cheap. The artwork scales with size (since it's digitally printed) which is a plus. But my vote went with Louis-Garneau.


You know that you can revote in this poll DJ?

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If there is genuine interest for a group of weenies to buy this kit, I am certain I can get us better prices through my friends at Verge Sport.

http://vergesport.com/custom_products#tag0

Here is their regular price list. http://vergesport.com/download/Verge_Sport_Bike_Collection_2011_Pricing_V1.pdf


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:50 am 
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My vote goes with LG on this one. Only Champion Systems stuff I have used the pockets were way too high on the back for me.


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By high pockets do you mean the bottom of the pockets are also too high or the pockets are too deep?
I had a discussion with Voler on this topic. On small jerseys they claim the top of the pockets need to be low to accomodate a range of shoulder flexibilities/arm lengths. But then the pockets are so small I can barely fit a wind vest, let alone a long-sleeve jacket, in them. Add arm warmers and god forbid a phone and you've barely got room for a few bars.

The Verge connection sounds good. I'm not sure what you mean by "genuine interest". I think if we sell 20 of these that will be a really good result, considering last time.

Huge thanks to Szczuldo for doing the heavy lifting on this one, though: Trying to make a choice which makes everyone happy is rarely possible, so at some point a decision is made and you move ahead. Whatever the choice, I'm in.

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