Hi,

Is there any inkling of a revised, maybe stiffer Foil?

Is this a joke? Stiffer? Do you own or ride one?

I switched to carbon bars to help dampen the insan rigidness and brutal ride, especially coming up through the headset.

oh man! if there's something which scott has to do with the foil is reduce stiffness

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LMAO. Being stabbed with a knife would be more comfortable than stiffer FOIL.

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...lol. Ok, I should have been more detailed. Stiffer around the BB and a little softer on the seat stays. I know, I know, you guys are gonna say you don't need it unless your a top Pro sprinter.

Considering the Foil is one of the stiffest on the market right now at the BB, I'm guessing that isn't happening anytime soon. Plus, they are known for that stiff/rigid ride, like the Addict, but even stiffer the Foil is IMO.

I do notice flex when out of the saddle starting a climb on the big ring, and the flex will cause rubbing on the derailleur. I guess the new Yaw Red FD would solve that issue maybe?

And who knows if that is the BB, the cranks (Quarq S975), or QRings that is actually flexing.

With my deep-v 50mm training clinchers, the ride is brutal. During race season, I just switch to my 303 FC tubies for training as well, they dampen the ride/flex with the wider profile carbon as they are designed, and make the ride more tolerable.

I finally switched to a 3T ergonova carbon bar team edition (Red/Black matches perfect to the foil), and they helped with the absolutely horrendous headset stiffness/feedback.

I would say the two biggest things that have made the ride tolerable were the Zipp 303 FC tubies and the new carbon bars. I was darn near about to ditch the Foil frame because of the jarring ride. Only a seasoned/conditioned pro could handle that stiffness for 4+hrs.

So, I feel ya TS. It would be nice to have some better BB stiffness/less flex I get, at the same time, a more dampened headset/feedback through the bars. I just had to do it myself with the wheels/new bars.