anyone seen a set of the ENVE 3.4 second-hand floating round online?

can't find them anywhere!

There's a set in the classifieds if they havent been sold.

Wow that is a killer price and as already mentioned above they got really good test result. There is a link to the article somewhere on this site. I think they look good too and not something you will see everyday.

quite true! I think they look good as well and I'm trying to get something not so common over here in AU.

could just get the 303's and be done with it, but I'm seeing what else is around.

What's more surprising is Campy Eurus are more aero than most high profile carbon wheels in that Tour test including Campy bullet?

http://ritcheylogic.com/media/File/2342 ... incher.pdf

Thanks for linking the article. Don't suppose there's a copy of that going around in English? - it looked really interesting!

I'm seriously tempted to pull the trigger on these SuperLogics! They look good, seem to perform well, and aren't common as hell.

The Tour article was comparing a bunch of different setups--different tires, different widths, tubulars vs clinchers, etc. It really provided no accurate comparison between the wheels considered.

Another vote for the ENVEs. Read about them, if you'd like.

http://ridingagainstthegrain.com/2012/07/19/enve-smart-ses-3-4-carbon-clincher-update/

http://ridingagainstthegrain.com/2012/06/02/enve-smart-ses-3-4-carbon-clincher-wheelset-review-update/

http://ridingagainstthegrain.com/2012/04/14/enve-smart-3-4-clincher-first-ride-review/

So, how about this, zipp hubs, c-xrays, and enve rim. The Zipp hub is a ton better than the 240 IMO but spending $900 on just a rim is kind of steep.-David

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@teufelhunden222- There are much better options out there than the Zipp hubs. Ones that are more durable, with less proprietary parts.

Wait for the new Alchemys to come out. Super light, with ultrawide flange spacing. That would be the perfect Enve build.

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What makes them better than the zipps? When I look at the zipps i see 1. straightpull 2. extra reinforcement on the front flange 3. straightpull on the drive side. 4. the ability to reset bearing tension after the skewer is tensioned. The other hubs I have seen just seem to have 1 or 2 things I am looking for. They seem to all be super light j bend ebay similars. The zipp is the only hub that has made me say "damn". The DT hubs have an interesting drive mechanism, and so to the soul hubs. What I am looking for in a hub is one that is not a carbon copy of 900 other hubs. When I see a product that screams innovation. Thats something I can get behind.

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Radial lacing on the rear drive side of that hub is one of their biggest problems. Radial is notorious for putting high amounts of stress on the flange, which can lead to deformation or failure.

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Zipp has had some hub failures, but I hesitate to say it was specifically because the right was radial laced. Just a bit too thin, or didn't take into account all possible directions of load or subtle variances in material, etc. I've seen my share of DT 240 rear hubs with split open hub shells, and they were fully crossed up. Zipp addressed this in 2012 with juuust a little more meat in the flange area of the shell.
My main issue with pre-2013 Zipp rear hubs stems from their loose fit between the axle and bearing. I know why they did it, it's nice that the hub spins extra super-duper smooth, but the slight rock you get is annoying and cannot be truly adjusted out. Any of the Shimano11 compatible hubs, and 2012 ones that had the 11 upgrade, have had that addressed with a perfectly snug fit on the axle. BTW, I put a coat of nail polish on the bearing contact areas of my axle, 2012 model, complete fix.

which if the flange is not stiff enough I coud see it being a problem. Have you personally seen any of the 2013 188 rear hubs that have been deformed becuase of it? Not razing you just curious.

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@teufelhunden222- All of the failures that I saw were on pre 2012 Zipp hubs.

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eh, those farsport sub 1300g 38mm clinchers are starting to look really good to me

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