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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:20 am 
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I know we all love to think that Trek dumped Lemond bikes purely because of Lance but if I recall correctly especially the later models were pretty unremarkable old fashioned looking bonded titanium to carbon monstrosities with odd geometry dated graphics and seriously over priced.

Now he wants people's input into bringing a range back.

2 ways I see this, he either produces some proper hand made bikes or gets a graphic designer to come up with a new logo and font for some far eastern carbon.

Would I buy one... Nope

Would anyone else?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:32 am 
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Nope. Probably he is feeling its the right time to cash in..


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:52 am 
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As I recall, the pre-Trek Lemond bikes were among the most innovative in the peloton at the time. They were among the first carbon bikes raced at the highest levels of the sport. They were among the first to employ titanium and then carbon lugs. And, if I recall correctly, they won at least one grand tour. Admittedly, Greg wasn't making them himself (Calfee and TVT I think). But to suggest that they were boring, cookie-cutter designs is a huge injustice.

As for the Treck-era Lemond bikes, I agree. They were basically Treks with a different logo. But, by that point, innovation and design were out of Greg's hands and were firmly in the hands of Trek marketing gurus... just like every other bike with a famous racer's name on the downtube (Merckx, Fondriest, Cipollini, etc.)

I'd be curious to see what Greg has in store for us. I suspect a collaboration with a well-respected (by us weenies) boutique builder wouldn't be out of the question. I would certainly consider a Crumpton-designed/manufactured Lemond-labeled frame. Or other similarly innovative builder/designer.

But don't sell Lemond short. He is a pioneer of technology in the sport. I would expect innovation from a Lemond branded bicycle if it is free from another major industry label.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:08 pm 
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TVT Weren't by Lemond just like they weren't by Pinarello when Delgado was using them


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:10 pm 
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NS wrote:
I know we all love to think that Trek dumped Lemond bikes purely because of Lance but if I recall correctly especially the later models were pretty unremarkable old fashioned looking bonded titanium to carbon monstrosities with odd geometry dated graphics and seriously over priced.

Now he wants people's input into bringing a range back.

2 ways I see this, he either produces some proper hand made bikes or gets a graphic designer to come up with a new logo and font for some far eastern carbon.

Would I buy one... Nope

Would anyone else?



to be fair "far eastern carbon" can be anything from the worst carbon frames to not far off the best

nothing about his brand is so intrinsically tainted that he can't succeed if the product and price are right.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:23 pm 
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nope. the market is full of 'ex-champ's' bikes. besides for many potential customers the first association with 'Lemond' is... doping. not very marketable..

not to mention this evidently looks like he's trying to make $$$ from the ongoing doping saga where he positions himself as the knight in white armor. i'd say it's disgusting and has potential to fall like a house of cards when someone will really take a look into his career in reference to doping...

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:55 pm 
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The geometry isn't really 'wacky' it is basically what has been adopted by Trek as their popular H2 fit.

They were good bikes for the time and they had, amongst other things, the first disc-brake cx bike (the poprad), and a nice 853 tubed road bike.

I'd buy one, just because I thought they were cool back then.


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Condor made a CX disc brake bike back in the early 90s

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:12 pm 
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I would certainly consider one. Not because of his name or any associations with it, but because Lemond's geometry (long/low with a slack seat angle) happens to suit my morphology.

Whether or not it is made in the far East would not be relevant to my decision (I'd hazard a guess that most protour frames are made in Asia), nor whether it's made by a "boutique" maker or a major manufacturer.

As far as is possible I'd assess the product on its merits, not any emotional connotations the name evokes.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:30 pm 
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Had a Lemond Poprad 853 canti. Always regret selling it, great geo.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:17 pm 
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euan wrote:
Condor made a CX disc brake bike back in the early 90s

Did we? Don't remember it!


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nope. the market is full of 'ex-champ's' bikes. besides for many potential customers the first association with 'Lemond' is... doping. not very marketable..

not to mention this evidently looks like he's trying to make $$$ from the ongoing doping saga where he positions himself as the knight in white armor. i'd say it's disgusting [size=60]and has potential to fall like a house of cards when someone will really take a look into his career in reference to doping...[/size]
Do tell? Because, despite Armstrong's cohort's best efforts there hasn't been a whiff of impropriety regarding Lemond.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:32 pm 
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The bike would definitely succeed, the target market wouldn't be WW. It will also depend on his selling model. Is he going direct, like Canyon - I hope he does. Or mass selling to stores. Trek and Specialized almost have 100% monopoly on mainstream shops and supply-chain (not commenting on their bike quality here).

There is nothing wrong with him seizing the moment and making $$$. You would too if you were in his shoes.


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If he differentiates himself it should be on geometry. Middle-of-the-road geometry with LeMond graphics gets him lost in the crowd. Look at a stack-reach plot for Cannondale, Trek, and Specialized and forge new ground.

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DJ, how much of a nice is really left in geometries? We saw lots of "comfort" oriented bikes coming out recently. How big is the demand in the "super racy" category, not already catered for by custom builders?

Anyway it's great to see him back to doing something, other than just dishing out and being cranky.

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