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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:54 pm 
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No. More corners, the safer. Keeps the pack strung out, keeps it from bunching up.

My favorite are "L" shaped six corner crits.

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There is a balancing act though.

We had a crit track made where I live, but there are so many corners it's more like a go-kart track than a crit track.

Worst part, was designed by an Aussie Grand Tour stage winner :doh:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:55 pm 
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Where do most crashes happen? curves, corners or straight lines?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:12 pm 
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stella-azzurra wrote:
Where do most crashes happen? curves, corners or straight lines?


Any time during the last lap as people are jockeying for position.

Problem I see with big four corner crits, is that no one wants to be in the front on the backside straightaway. The pack bunches up as the people in the front don't want to pull hard and people in the back want to move up to a better position. Then you have this big ball of riders that's too wide for the next turn and they have to sort themselves out.

With more turns, there less of an opportunity for this to happen.

Anyway, that's just what I've observed from racing a variety of downtown and industrial park crits over the last three years.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:38 pm 
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There are races in downtown SF? Or are you referring to downtown San Jose and other cities?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:42 pm 
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crashes happen everywhere :P usually at the moment when racers start seeing stars and forget every bit of etiquette they know. It just takes a moment to forget your surroundings, and then it's already too late.

Not to get too off topic, but racing safety is one of my peeves. I wish there were more stringent safety requirements (especially in USAC) before racers are allowed to upgrade. Now that I'm a higher category it's a lot better, but the starting categories are always the most dangerous and unpredictable. In a Category 5 USAC race, you can have a world-class triathlete and a person who has never even ridden in a group in the same race. And you only need to finish 10 races to upgrade. There should be at least a couple of mandatory safety clinics you have to attend that teach proper racing ettiquette as a requirement before upgrading is required. In Track racing you are not even allowed to race unless you've attended a couple beginner racing sessions. I've been racing track for five years, and seen two crashes, both in the lower categories. And there's not even "corners" in a velodrome :P

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:43 pm 
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prendrefeu wrote:
There are races in downtown SF? Or are you referring to downtown San Jose and other cities?


well, there's the Giro di San Francisco, which actually is in downtown SF, and is as painful as you'd imagine. :lol:

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wojchiech wrote:
There should be at least a couple of mandatory safety clinics you have to attend that teach proper racing ettiquette as a requirement before upgrading is required. In Track racing you are not even allowed to race unless you've attended a couple beginner racing sessions.
If mandatory safety clinics are imposed, the first of them should be required before being allowed to race in any category, not just as a condition for upgrading.


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Your first 10 races are the mandatory safety clinics.....haha

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:48 pm 
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I'm reminded of a course near Sacramento, CA: "The circle of death". They eventually added corners to reduce the carnage.


That's my favorite crit course!

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wojchiech wrote:
crashes happen everywhere :P usually at the moment when racers start seeing stars and forget every bit of etiquette they know. It just takes a moment to forget your surroundings, and then it's already too late.

Not to get too off topic, but racing safety is one of my peeves. I wish there were more stringent safety requirements (especially in USAC) before racers are allowed to upgrade. Now that I'm a higher category it's a lot better, but the starting categories are always the most dangerous and unpredictable. In a Category 5 USAC race, you can have a world-class triathlete and a person who has never even ridden in a group in the same race. And you only need to finish 10 races to upgrade. There should be at least a couple of mandatory safety clinics you have to attend that teach proper racing ettiquette as a requirement before upgrading is required. In Track racing you are not even allowed to race unless you've attended a couple beginner racing sessions. I've been racing track for five years, and seen two crashes, both in the lower categories. And there's not even "corners" in a velodrome :P


What's so funny is when you do you first race and have been doing hard training races leading up to it... the first crit if it's flat is like "damn this is slow" I would advise any first racer to do one thing... attack... over and over again. Hopefully a break happens and that now dangerous crit is a fun small paceline which hopefully sticks. If not.. fade to the back and recover and go again. Sitting in the pack trying to save energy for a sprint is a recipe for a broken collarbone.

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