Quite honestly with the overwhelming responses I've received via PM and email people are very thankful that I was able to do so and are appreciative of what I've added to the discussion. They don't say the same about you.
Oh dear, people don't like me? That's really... not something I give a f*** about.
Though you're not the only one who gets PMs about training.
...but you've still failed to let us know why would we should trust your critical cherry picking of things. Its very easy to point out flaws...
Why should you or anyone else trust me? That's a ludicrous statement. No-one should trust me. What you or anyone else may do however is read what I type and think
. And maybe think this:- "why is an anonymous guy on the net who coaches people for free be saying this stuff? Why would he say that? It sounds
like he might actually know something. Maybe I should get off my arse and do a little more research to what he is saying to see if he is full of shit or actually knows something which may or may not be the shiz."
For me complete fasting isn't practical and my riding volume is too high, but for your average desk jockey performance enhancing dad that struggles to get 6-10hrs in a week, I don't think it could hurt to try on off days or if they ride at night. Most of these people live extremely sedentary lifestyles and even though they ride its not much. While I agreed with you in another thread that these people should focus on their power numbers first, many could benefit from weightloss for general health reasons and it wouldn't impact their training. Your average masters racer and category racer most likely isn't pushing the edge of their bodyfat limits.
And this is the thing. Most of them aren't training right to start with, even with their 6-10 hours. Yes, diets can be improved but for the very reason their training is limited is also the same reason why re-scheduling of diets or doing anything too radical is implausible. When they do eat, eat more healthy (no cheeseburgers champ), actually train right and watch happens. If power is climbing and weight not coming down then good
! But this usually isn't the case. People want to have their (power) cake and eat (weight loss) it too. I have helped some in this regard, corrected training, power goes up and lo! the weight seems to just melt away over time. But all too many get in the downward spiral. Struggling, struggling to lose those last kilos but can't. And its because they aren't training hard enough and they can't because they're eating too little. Yet they can't see that.
I prefer to engineer things that weight should climb a bit with FTP, and whilst that's the plan, it rarely happens. I wonder why...
But I'll concede that most here seem to be more worried about tha abz than any sort of performance so, yeah, go the IF.
For the average endurance athlete with an RMR of ~2,000kcal or so, its fairly easy to get enough calories in in 3 meals and sufficiently recover.
3 meals now? Awesome, I'll roll with that. Better than 2. 8 hour window... why, again?
The fact that you would need 1500kcal in one sitting is odd considering there are 250-275lb powerlifters that would only need 3500 kcal in an 8 hr window, which divided by 3 meals is less than 1500kcal. If you fuel your workouts properly during the workout and after, this shouldn't be very difficult to achieve.
Again, we're onto 3 meals now? And WTF do powerlifter have to do with anything? I'll detail what I'm eating if you're curious in the reply to Prend.
You still have not answered the question of why this would impair recovery on a rest/recovery day. Nor have you posted a single study that lists how normal endurance athletes i.e. not pros are somehow different and can metabolize nutrients differently and thus why my recommendations in my first post do not make sense.
And you haven't demonstrated any reason that one would change or delay their feeding schedule unnecessarily. Don't want a big breakfast because you're not hungry? Awesome, don't eat it. But do eat when those signals flood in. Delaying it to X time is silly.
That aside, I would try and eat normally or even a bit (a BIT) more on the rest day simply because on the rest day is time for the body to recover from training and allow adaptations from that training to take place. Because of this weight-centric view people see the rest day as a time to cut calories. And then they wonder why their performance is flagging and weight isn't really changing. Normal endurance athletes don't metabolise thing differently but here's the rub: if they eat more on the rest day and they aren't gaining weight, say, in a month period, why not do it? Better chance for any nutritional deficiencies to be covered, just in case, better chance for the body to repair.
There as much evidence to support this theory as there is yours.
So in summary:-
IF doesn't work for endurance athletes
A sudo form of IF can be used on rest days... for no real reason.
Performance seem to be a distant second to appearance here.
IF works awesome for strength athletes.
That about right?